5/2 (CD): 141st Kentucky Derby (G1); 6 Graded Stakes Undercard

[GenuineRisk]

Dead last Upstart is okay, just wasn't that into it.

http://live.drf.com/nuggets/14546

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Dead last Upstart is okay, just wasn't that into it.

http://live.drf.com/nuggets/14546

He'd do real well in Ny bred races.

[largo1]

Based on what I read on here I really wanted to bet a little on Tepin but I only had 90 cents in my TVG account. (yes, you read that right). Wish I would have taken the time to add a little cash to the acct and bet her to win. Boo for me.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

He'd do real well in Ny bred races.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He's likely the most overrated horse in the crop. And that uncertainty I have about it being likely is only because Winstar keeps proving me wrong with their ability to select racehorses and stallion prospects.

Those guys are magical.

Keep rolling them eyes dude.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

He's likely the most overrated horse in the crop. And that uncertainty I have about it being likely is only because Winstar keeps proving me wrong with their ability to select racehorses and stallion prospects.

Those guys are magical.

Keep rolling them eyes dude.

You have always had issues with making over the top statements and asserting them as if they are fact. But this is at a new level. Upstart, who until Saturday had been out of the exacta exactly once in 6 starts, had just earned the 2nd highest speed figure in the field according to Beyer, and the highest Thoro-graph number, was "likely the most overrated horse in the crop."

Think about hitting the brakes. I know you're thumping your chest about American Pharoah, but enough's enough.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You have always had issues with making over the top statements and asserting them as if they are fact. But this is at a new level. Upstart, who until Saturday had been out of the exacta exactly once in 6 starts, had just earned the 2nd highest speed figure in the field according to Beyer, and the highest Thoro-graph number, was "likely the most overrated horse in the crop."

Think about hitting the brakes. I know you're thumping your chest about American Pharoah, but enough's enough.

If you consider posting an opinion as having issues, then I have those issues.

The rest of your post is ridiculous.

I never said Upstart is a bad horse, just that people are overrating the horse. Yes, he usually fires, and yes, he's an honest horse. Has he really run a race yet that merits the amount of attention he's received? Hell no.

Alot of otherwise pretty sharp people on here, for instance, picked him to win last Saturday, and I really had my mind boggled by that. To me, he was a stone cold throwout. I've seen too many nonsensical reasons to explain away his Breeders Cup performance as well, though I'm sure you are already contesting that in your head as you read this.

That second highest BSF going into the Derby was a complete joke, and most people knew that. How the hell does he go off at such long odds with such an apparently impressive resume??

Finally, your assertion that I'm thumping my chest sounds like sour grapes coming from someone who has been quite vocally opposed to betting AP since before the Breeders Cup.

You show me one instance on here where I was thumping my chest about him winning the Derby. You won't, because if anything, I publicly stated that I was somewhat underwhelmed by his performance, and in fact, thought he was going to lose while watching the race.

Try to be objective Nick, as you are accusing me of not doing myself.

What's enough is enough is your lack of objectivity regarding this topic.

[blackthroatedwind]

You're defending an indefensibly bad opinion.

He came from last behind a very slow pace to run an excellent second in the Champagne. Given how close he was to the pace, and how wide he was, there is a very good argument that he ran the best race of anyone in the BC Juvenile ( I know TimeformUS thinks it's close ). He buried the field in the Holy Bull, and won the Fountain of Youth impressively despite being too close to a pace that collapsed. He was once again taken out of his best game ( which is closing since you seem to know VERY little about this horse ) when an excellent 2nd in the Florida Derby. He has run well at every track, under all conditions, from sprints to routes, in every start before being eased in the KY Derby ( when something clearly went amiss ). Your opinion of him is in NO way backed up by his on-track performances yet you have the audacity to call someone else biased when judging him.

That takes balls....I'll give you that.