These two are exciting!

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Well, they do have the same trainer. Why would they face each other other than the BC?

good point but that does not necessarily mean they wont race each other. if they run in all 3 races they will be on the same kind of timeline barring any physical issues. i think that the owners still want to win races too. like the jockey gold cup, the haskell etc...

closest ive seen recently has to be the street sense, curlin, hard spun year...but i think these two may be a bit better. and yes i understand they didnt have the same trainer....and what about a trainer switch?....could happen.

[ateamstupid]

Judging from all the hoopla, it seems AP and Dortmund are going to be WAY shorter prices than everyone else in the field. Must be that East Coast Bias.

[FATPIANO]

I think you are right that two are exciting, but the two are MATERIALITY and Mubtaahij, and both are exciting at a price

[knickslions2]

AP still looks like he is sitting on a big one and is a rightful favorite. Dortmund also is well deserving. I'm looking forward to seeing post positions here. There seems to be plenty of speed and International Star is very intriguing to me in this race.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

AP still looks like he is sitting on a big one and is a rightful favorite. Dortmund also is well deserving. I'm looking forward to seeing post positions here. There seems to be plenty of speed and International Star is very intriguing to me in this race.

With a dream trip - I like Danzig Moon a little now (though who really knows in a 20 horse field, pre-draw) but after I dismissed everything out of the Bluegrass, I re-watched it a few times, and Danzig Moon was absolutely inhaling ground in the stretch. He's going to be on my ticket.
I don't know why Firing Line not in the discussion, having only been beaten a head twice by Dortmund. Dortmund just has the look of a big, unwieldly speedball (who doesn't seem to factor as the speed of the speed) that can find a lot of trouble if he draws inside of the other speed. He appears to me as horse that will not take a heavy bump well and recover quickly.

At this point I'm not thrilled with the Materiality or Upstart's prospects, and have no clue what to do with Mubtaahij.

My main keys (subject to change) are AP, Firing Line, International Star, Danzig Moon, and Frosted.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Not that I think he can win (though who really knows in a 20 horse field, pre-draw) but after I dismissed everything out of the Bluegrass, I re-watched it a few times, and Danzig Moon was inhaling ground in the stretch. He's going to be on my ticket.
I don't know why Firing Line not in the discussion, having only been beaten a head twice by Dortmund. Dortmund just has the look of a big, unwieldly speedball (who doesn't seem to factor as the speed of the speed) that can find a lot of trouble if he draws inside of the other speed. He appears to me as horse that will not take a heavy bump well and recover quickly.

At this point I'm not thrilled with the Materiality or Upstart's prospects, and have no clue what to do with Mubtaahij.

My main keys (subject to change) are AP, Firing Line, International Star, Danzig Moon, and Frosted.

Dortmund has rated and won 2x. Once at Churchill. I think he is the horse to beat. I think anyone but him, AP, Upstart and Frosted is a serious upset.
I don't get Danzig Moon at all. He was making up ground on the most overated horse in this crop. He will be a big price though and probably has the proper running style to get a piece.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by RHT2004

Dortmund has rated and won 2x. Once at Churchill. I think he is the horse to beat. I think anyone but him, AP, Upstart and Frosted is a serious upset.
I don't get Danzig Moon at all. He was making up ground on the most overated horse in this crop. He will be a big price though and probably has the proper running style to get a piece.

He wasn't *rated* so much as he simply wasn't faster than Firing Line - which could be the kiss of death for a horse like this IF he draws down inside of the real speed. Not saying he isn't a top prospect, just not for me in a race like this without knowing where he's breaking from.