Town to Behead People Who Don't Pray 5 Times a Day

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Don't forget that the Religious Right is just as bad. Do you know how I know? I know because Rosie O'Donnel and Genuine Risk told me. LOL.

Rupert, kindly put me on the list of posters you ignore. If you're going to misunderstand my posts to that extent, you're not allowed to read them anymore.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Rupert, kindly put me on the list of posters you ignore. If you're going to misunderstand my posts to that extent, you're not allowed to read them anymore.

GR, Do I need to remind you what your quote was yesterday? Your quote was that "Fundamentalist Christianity and fundamentalist Islam are more alike than they are different." That was your quote.

And now you get mad at me when I say that you said the Relgious Right is just as bad as the extreme Muslims? I don't get it.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

GR, Do I need to remind you what your quote was yesterday? Your quote was that "Fundamentalist Christianity and fundamentalist Islam are more alike than they are different." That was your quote.

And now you get mad at me when I say that you said the Relgious Right is just as bad as the extreme Muslims? I don't get it.

Well, at least you understood the ignore request was a joke... I think... that's progress.

Rupert, do some research on where fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims stand on women, birth control, gays, and the role of religion in government and get back to me. I think you'll find they have remarkably similar positions on these topics, they just differ on how often you pray and who the big prophet was.

My point from that earlier post was, we need to be just as firm with our home-grown, Christian terrorists as we are with foreign, Muslim ones, else we look like hypocrites. Our "war" should not be against Islam, it should be against religious extremism, no matter what religion that extremism wraps itself in. And we should couch it in those terms, because then the moderates of all faiths will get behind us, knowing we're not attacking "their" religion; we're attacking those who would attempt to harm anyone's right to practice any faith freely and openly.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Well, at least you understood the ignore request was a joke... I think... that's progress.

Rupert, do some research on where fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims stand on women, birth control, gays, and the role of religion in government and get back to me. I think you'll find they have remarkably similar positions on these topics, they just differ on how often you pray and who the big prophet was.

My point from that earlier post was, we need to be just as firm with our home-grown, Christian terrorists as we are with foreign, Muslim ones, else we look like hypocrites. Our "war" should not be against Islam, it should be against religious extremism, no matter what religion that extremism wraps itself in. And we should couch it in those terms, because then the moderates of all faiths will get behind us, knowing we're not attacking "their" religion; we're attacking those who would attempt to harm anyone's right to practice any faith freely and openly.

I don't think you can compare the two religions. One group tells people that they should repent from their sins. But it is your choice whether or not you choose to repent. If you don't want to repent, that is your choice. The other religion will tell you what to do and if you don't do it they will kill you. That is a huge difference.

I'll give you analogy. A father tells his son that he should not smoke marijuana. He tells his son that he thinks marijuana is harmful and that it's not a good idea to smoke it. But if his son chooses to smoke it any way, that is his decision.

Another father tells his son not to smoke marijuana and makes it clear that if his son does smoke it that he will literally murder him in cold blood. The father is serious and will murder his son with a butcher knife if he catches him smoking marijuana.

I don't think it would be fair to say that the two fathers are pretty much the same because they don't want their kids to smoke marijuana. The two fathers are not the same at all.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think you can compare the two religions. One group tells people that they should repent from their sins. But it is your choice whether or not you choose to repent. If you don't want to repent, that is your choice. The other religion will tell you what to do and if you don't do it they will kill you. That is a huge difference.

I'll give you analogy. A father tells his son that he should not smoke marijuana. He tells his son that he thinks marijuana is harmful and that it's not a good idea to smoke it. But if his son chooses to smoke it any way, that is his decision.

Another father tells his son not to smoke marijuana and makes it clear that if his son does smoke it that he will literally murder him in cold blood. The father is serious and will murder his son with a butcher knife if he catches him smoking marijuana.

I don't think it would be fair to say that the two fathers are pretty much the same because they don't want their kids to smoke marijuana. The two fathers are not the same at all.

Rupert, that's about as bad a mischaracterization of Islam as ever I've seen. The fact that you think honestly think Islam advocates killing nonbelievers any more or less than Christianity does is mind-boggling and a testament to the effectiveness of right-wing media. As DTS said, take a look at Christianity's history and you'll see several movements by some of its misguided followers to kill off non-believers, several of said movements being directed against Moslems. Fundamentalists are violent. Islam and Christianity are not.

For the love of Pete, go take a World Religions class or something. "The other religion will tell you what to do and if you don't do it they will kill you."????? That's what you think Islam is? Oh, God help us. I'd laugh if it didn't make me feel so very sad and hopeless for the world, because sadly, I don't think you're alone in this country in your insistance on villifying any religion besides your own.

And what about your heroine, Ann Coulter, saying, in the wake of 9/11, "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them all to Christianity." How does that tie in with your insistance that, "One group tells people that they should repent from their sins. But it is your choice whether or not you choose to repent."????

[Downthestretch55]

[quote=GenuineRisk]Rupert, that's about as bad a mischaracterization of Islam as ever I've seen. The fact that you think honestly think Islam advocates killing nonbelievers any more or less than Christianity does is mind-boggling and a testament to the effectiveness of right-wing media. As DTS said, take a look at Christianity's history and you'll see several movements by some of its misguided followers to kill off non-believers, several of said movements being directed against Moslems. Fundamentalists are violent. Islam and Christianity are not.

For the love of Pete, go take a World Religions class or something. "The other religion will tell you what to do and if you don't do it they will kill you."????? That's what you think Islam is? Oh, God help us. I'd laugh if it didn't make me feel so very sad and hopeless for the world, because sadly, I don't think you're alone in this country in your insistance on villifying any religion besides your own.
GR,
Sometimes it seems like you're shouting words against the wind. Sorry.
To me, it's a bit amusing that those that seek to justify due to their overwhelming knowledge ignor the fact that after Indonesia, India has the second highest Moslem population, 150 million (that's half of the total US population).
So what's next? Attack India?
Crazy stuff!
DTS

[skippy3481]

christanity and the muslim religion may have alot of viewpoints the same, but they differ where it matters, theology.

Muslim faith teaches that entrance into heaven is by following the 5 pillars of islam and basically working your way into heaven.

Christianity teaches thats its by grace not works.

Of course there are other similarities and diffrences but it matters not if the two do not agree on how to enter heaven. Either one is wrong and one is right or they are both wrong.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Rupert, that's about as bad a mischaracterization of Islam as ever I've seen. The fact that you think honestly think Islam advocates killing nonbelievers any more or less than Christianity does is mind-boggling and a testament to the effectiveness of right-wing media. As DTS said, take a look at Christianity's history and you'll see several movements by some of its misguided followers to kill off non-believers, several of said movements being directed against Moslems. Fundamentalists are violent. Islam and Christianity are not.

For the love of Pete, go take a World Religions class or something. "The other religion will tell you what to do and if you don't do it they will kill you."????? That's what you think Islam is? Oh, God help us. I'd laugh if it didn't make me feel so very sad and hopeless for the world, because sadly, I don't think you're alone in this country in your insistance on villifying any religion besides your own.

And what about your heroine, Ann Coulter, saying, in the wake of 9/11, "We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them all to Christianity." How does that tie in with your insistance that, "One group tells people that they should repent from their sins. But it is your choice whether or not you choose to repent."????

Any Christians that would kill non-believers are just as bad as Muslims who would kill non-believers. I'm not denying that.

I don't know what Christians or Muslims did hundreds of years ago. All I know is what I see in the world right now. I don't see Christians killing non-believers.

I can't speak for Ann Coulter. I would have to think she was kidding but if she wasn't then she's crazy.

I feel sad for you if you think that the Christian Right(in this country today) wants to kill gays and non-believers. Sadly, I don't think you're alone in your belief. That is why there are plenty of liberals out there that think the Christian Right are some kind of terrible people. They actually think that a guy like Jerry Fallwell is comparable to Bin Laden.

[skippy3481]

Rupert, just because some muslim people misinterpret doesn't mean the whole religion wants to off everyone thats not muslim. Look at westboro baptist in the kansas. They would love to kill gays, that doesnt mean all christians do. You can't selectively slice out parts and apply them overall its not fair.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Any Christians that would kill non-believers are just as bad as Muslims who would kill non-believers. I'm not denying that.

I don't know what Christians or Muslims did hundreds of years ago. All I know is what I see in the world right now. I don't see Christians killing non-believers.

Ever hear of a little spot called Bosnia, Rupert? Christians killing Muslems. Oh, but that was such a long time ago, right? All the way back in the 1990's.

And Rupert, if you want to sound like you understand anything about this situation, you should take time to learn what happened hundreds of years ago, because I promise you, Moslems in the Middle East know and in some cases, are still mad about it. Remember Bush referring to the initial attacks as a "crusade?" Remember how upset the Moslem world got?

But thanks for agreeing one religious fanatic who would kill in the name of the religion is as bad as another, regardless of the religion. I knew there was common ground somewhere in this discussion.