Gulfstream Inquiries

Originally Posted by declansharbor

Unfortunately that's too late for the bettors and their money. That's horrible actually.

It has nothing to do with late or not for the bettors.

Stewards have two separate decisions to make.

1.Was a fouled horse cost the opportunity for a better placing? That is decided immediately after the race.

2. Was the jockey careless or did he do his best to avoid the incident. Can the horse be blamed? That is decided the next morning.

Many times a horse can be disqualified and the jockey held blameless.

Many times a result can be left as is and the jockey sanctioned for a riding violation.

The two decisions are separate examinations.

I don't understand why that is so hard to grasp?

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

It has nothing to do with late or not for the bettors.

Stewards have two separate decisions to make.

1.Was a fouled horse cost the opportunity for a better placing? That is decided immediately after the race.

2. Was the jockey careless or did he do his best to avoid the incident. Can the horse be blamed? That is decided the next morning.

Many times a horse can be disqualified and the jockey held blameless.

Many times a result can be left as is and the jockey sanctioned for a riding violation.

The two decisions are separate examinations.

I don't understand why that is so hard to grasp?

The only thing i've grasped from this thread is how useless track stewards can be in determining outcomes.

[Indian Charlie]

Realistically, in a race situation like what happened in the FOY, people who bet on either of the two horses involved are going to feel screwed, depending on the way the decision goes.

In this instance, it seems pretty clear that the jockey on Upstart was being a douchebag and was the cause of the problem.

Did he cost the second place finisher a placing? It's probably less than 50% likely he did, but then again, we are talking about a horse making only his third start, so who knows for sure.

If I had the ability to make a ruling, I'd have kept Upstart as the winner.

I'd fine and suspend the jockey severely.

I'd refund wagers on the runnerup. That way nobody gets screwed completely over, and hopefully it makes those tiny brained morons think twice about using such tactics.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

The horses " are where they are ". The jockey's actions, except sometimes in the first jump are a non-factor.


You may not like or agree with that. But I can assure you that's the way the vast majority of stewards do it.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Some calls are close. Some are not.

You're certainly entitled to think it's preposterous.

However that is how the process works.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

What if they do their very best to control yet their horse doesn't respond and still fouls another horse? Should the stewards leave the result alone just because the jockey gave his best effort?

I know this is hard to grasp for the average horseplayer.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

DTer's can respond however they see fit. Quizzically, vituperations, conspiracy theories, attacking integrity. Whatever.



I'm trying to contribute by sharing how the stewarding process works. Nuts and bolts. Day to day protocol.

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

It has nothing to do with late or not for the bettors.





I don't understand why that is so hard to grasp?

Congrats. You've swept in and have taken trolling to a whole new stratospheric level.

This "Average Horseplayer" hasn't wagered more than 50 bucks in California since Hollywood Park closed and I have doubts as to whether I'll ever play the circuit regularly, ever again. Thankfully, I now understand the "stewards process" there, all too well.

You play a game of semantics, saying the same thing over and over in a different way to troll the thread. Hope you got a good chuckle out of insulting the very people that keep this "sport" afloat. You're a fine ambassador.

[Pants II]

Truth be told these message boards ruined Vic. It's like a tragic comedy.

I'm not going to tell him.

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Congrats. You've swept in and have taken trolling to a whole new stratospheric level.

This "Average Horseplayer" hasn't wagered more than 50 bucks in California since Hollywood Park closed and I have doubts as to whether I'll ever play the circuit regularly, ever again. Thankfully, I now understand the "stewards process" there, all too well.

You play a game of semantics, saying the same thing over and over in a different way to troll the thread. Hope you got a good chuckle out of insulting the very people that keep this "sport" afloat. You're a fine ambassador.

Did you stop playing California because you couldn't hear me call the races anymore?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Did you stop playing California because you couldn't hear me call the races anymore?

Aren't you the one that compared zenyatta to Secretariat, spectacular bid, Dr. Fager, native dancer and silky Sullivan in a race?

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Aren't you the one that compared zenyatta to Secretariat, spectacular bid, Dr. Fager, native dancer and silky Sullivan in a race?

I compared Azeri to Personal Ensign, Lady's Secret and Ruffian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c5wlX42_Ms