New Congressman Thinks Quran Thumps Constitution

[SCUDSBROTHER]

He should of run as an Independent.The QUIRAN forbides making laws against Polygamy,and Domestic Violence.That is totally out of line with the beliefs of that Party,and they should be ashamed of this filth having a D before his name.This should have been taken care of before now.He should never have been allowed to run as a Democrat if he believes the Quiran is the true law of the land.I mean that they should never have given him votes.What could be worse than this?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He should never have been allowed to run as a Democrat if he believes the Quiran is the true law of the land.

Does he though? That's what we're all asking in this entire thread. The article that Rupert linked to is a piece of journalistic trash. The author just makes outrageous claims regarding Ellison and his character and his beliefs with ZERO evidence to back them up.

Which leads me to believe that it's just fear and smear journalism, which just means i'm not really worried about it

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Does he though? That's what we're all asking in this entire thread. The article that Rupert linked to is a piece of journalistic trash. The author just makes outrageous claims regarding Ellison and his character and his beliefs with ZERO evidence to back them up.

Which leads me to believe that it's just fear and smear journalism, which just means i'm not really worried about it.

I don't think this article is really any different than most articles you see out there. If this guy was a Christian, it would be fair game to bring up his ties to radical Christian groups, if he had such ties. Sure you could argue that just because he has ties to the group, it does not mean that he shares their beliefs. That would be true, but it does not mean that the issue should not be discussed.

By the way, did you read that this guy failed to pay more than 40 parking tickets and had his driver's license suspended twice. He also failed to pay his taxes which resulted in liens being put on his home. You could argue that this guy shows a pattern of disrespect for US laws.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

By the way, did you read that this guy failed to pay more than 40 parking tickets and had his driver's license suspended twice. He also failed to pay his taxes which resulted in liens being put on his home. You could argue that this guy shows a pattern of disrespect for US laws.

Hey, Rupert, heard about this guy named Jack Abramoff? And this guy named DeLay? I hear they really respect US laws, too... did they ever have any influence in government, do you know?

I think parking tickets and property tax are city and state laws. While it's a dumbass thing to do, and clearly he got busted for it, it's not showing disrespect for federal law.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Hey, Rupert, heard about this guy named Jack Abramoff? And this guy named DeLay? I hear they really respect US laws, too... did they ever have any influence in government, do you know?

I think parking tickets and property tax are city and state laws. While it's a dumbass thing to do, and clearly he got busted for it, it's not showing disrespect for federal law.

I think that's a diffeent issue. This guy has also "racked up hefty fines from campaign finance violations". I didn't even bring that up because that is another issue. I can't call him out on that because there are tons of guys from both parties that do that.

[timmgirvan]

Just so all you folks know.....the new congressmen are sworn in 'en masse" so Ellison won't be touching anything! However, there are subsequent photo ops where they do it up nice for the hometown folk...and this is where Ellison can make his "statement" I personally don't care what he does..as long as he serves with dignity and brings something other than rhetoric to the Congressional Table!

[Rupert Pupkin]

By the way, I think they are going after this guy because of the radical groups and the radical beliefs of the groups that he has ties to. I think they are also going after him because of his behavior. If this guy was just a nice, responsible member of society, with no ties to radical groups, and he happened to be a Muslim, I don't think this article would have ever been written.

So I think you are wrong if you think the only reason they are going after him is because he is a Muslim.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

By the way, I think they are going after this guy because of the radical groups and the radical beliefs of the groups that he has ties to. I think they are also going after him because of his behavior. If this guy was just a nice, responsible member of society, with no ties to radical groups, and he happened to be a Muslim, I don't think this article would have ever been written.

So I think you are wrong if you think the only reason they are going after him is because he is a Muslim.

does anyone at this time have any evidence that he is at the moment directly connected to any dangerous groups? he may once have been connected to radical groups (though evangelicals have many radical beliefs too, does that make them unfit to serve in congress? nope.), but george bush was once directly connected to whisky bottles, and we let him be president. so if there's no evidence of it being a current danger to our country, then there should be no problem.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

does anyone at this time have any evidence that he is at the moment directly connected to any dangerous groups? he may once have been connected to radical groups (though evangelicals have many radical beliefs too, does that make them unfit to serve in congress? nope.), but george bush was once directly connected to whisky bottles, and we let him be president. so if there's no evidence of it being a current danger to our country, then there should be no problem.

Here is a quote from the article:

"But within days of being elected, Ellison held a workshop on politics for a group closely affiliated with a radical Islamic school that preaches no Muslim can pledge loyalty to the Constitution or make laws outside the laws of the Quran, which the school's leaders assert is the "supreme law" of the land, trumping all man-made laws including the U.S. Constitution."

Brian, This guy's campaign was backed by CAIR. The founder of that group believes the Quran should replace the Constitution. That would make alcohol illegal. It would make homosexuality illegal. I don't even know what the punishment for homosexuality is in Islam. I believe it's imprisonment or possibly even death.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Here is a quote from the article:

That would make alcohol illegal. It would make homosexuality illegal. I don't even know what the punishment for homosexuality is in Islam. I believe it's imprisonment or possibly even death.

I have said before, fundamentalist Christianity and fundamentalist Islam are more alike than they are different. Other than their choice of prophet, their adherents pretty much want exactly the same things- dead gays, no fun vices and women uneducated, pregnant and in bee-keeper suits. Woohoo! Good times.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Here is a quote from the article:

"But within days of being elected, Ellison held a workshop on politics for a group closely affiliated with a radical Islamic school that preaches no Muslim can pledge loyalty to the Constitution or make laws outside the laws of the Quran, which the school's leaders assert is the "supreme law" of the land, trumping all man-made laws including the U.S. Constitution."

Brian, This guy's campaign was backed by CAIR. The founder of that group believes the Quran should replace the Constitution. That would make alcohol illegal. It would make homosexuality illegal. I don't even know what the punishment for homosexuality is in Islam. I believe it's imprisonment or possibly even death.

You know, I'm not that worried nor am I really going to dig into this guy's history. I imagine if he was actually dangerous that much of this would have surfaced before the vote. From the conversations that I've had on the other forum regarding this issue -- it's all just a bunch of crap dressed up as concern for our country. It has everything to do with him being a Muslim. If he were actually patently radical and/or dangerous, there is no chance in hell he would have been elected.

Look on the bright side -- let's say I'm wrong. Let's say he's as radical as they come, let's say he's a Bin Laden in a Congressman's clothing. Let's say all that you're so worried about is true. What the hell is he going to do about it? Are we really worried that the power of his vote (which mind you, accounts for roughly two-tenths of ONE percent of the entire House of Representatives) is going to Islamicize this country? Are we really worried that his two-tenths of one percent is going to outlaw alcohol and punish homosexuals with death?

A classic case of the Christian right forgetting about the proverbial "bigger fish to fry."

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Just so all you folks know.....the new congressmen are sworn in 'en masse" so Ellison won't be touching anything! However, there are subsequent photo ops where they do it up nice for the hometown folk...and this is where Ellison can make his "statement" I personally don't care what he does..as long as he serves with dignity and brings something other than rhetoric to the Congressional Table!

Agreed Timm,
Seems to me that there's a process to be followed AFTER someone is charged with criminal behavior...not BEFORE.