American Pharoah out

Indian Charlie · #1 10-28-2014, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

That's too bad. He was the best bet against of the weekend IMO

Really? Seemed like he was pretty live and might have even been a usable price.

Maybe you are confusing American Pharoah for Bayern????

Indian Charlie · #2 10-28-2014, 04:07 PM

Oh, nevermind, I get it now.

He was a toss because of RTH?

RockHardTen1985 · #3 10-28-2014, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Oh, nevermind, I get it now.

He was a toss because of RTH?

Stick to your first post in here, you were on the right track.
Im not trying to pick a fight with anyone. My point is this, what is the point to call him a bet against now that he is not running? He was a much more likely winner then Daredevil IMO.

Indian Charlie · #4 10-28-2014, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Stick to your first post in here, you were on the right track.
Im not trying to pick a fight with anyone. My point is this, what is the point to call him a bet against now that he is not running? He was a much more likely winner then Daredevil IMO.

That's silly. About him being a much more likely winner than Daredevil.

I'll grant you that Daredevil, of the two, was more likely to flop badly.

And yeah, I understand you thinking Nick was being a chicken not posting that thought before AP was scratched, but hell, the race is still four days away. Not too many people have posted their analysis just yet.

RockHardTen1985 · #5 10-28-2014, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That's silly. About him being a much more likely winner than Daredevil.

I'll grant you that Daredevil, of the two, was more likely to flop badly.

And yeah, I understand you thinking Nick was being a chicken not posting that thought before AP was scratched, but hell, the race is still four days away. Not too many people have posted their analysis just yet.

Why is it silly? Daredevil might be great but in this spot, vs these horses Im making him prove it to me over a fast track. As far as Im concerned Upstart is more likely then Daredevil... He has a fast race, over a fast surface.

asudevil · #6 10-28-2014, 04:42 PM

Get out your Calculator!!

jms62 · #7 10-28-2014, 05:12 PM

Calculator, One Lucky Dane and Souper Collassal for me

blackthroatedwind · #8 10-28-2014, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That's silly. About him being a much more likely winner than Daredevil.

I'll grant you that Daredevil, of the two, was more likely to flop badly.

And yeah, I understand you thinking Nick was being a chicken not posting that thought before AP was scratched, but hell, the race is still four days away. Not too many people have posted their analysis just yet.

Nick is a chicken? How is a guy that does public handicapping considered a chicken?

Nick has one of the best opinions of anyone I have ever known. His public handicapping record is superior. He's also about the least disingenuous person I have ever known. He didn't like American Pharoah. Frankly, no handicapper whose opinion I respect at all liked him on Saturday.

Indian Charlie · #9 10-28-2014, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nick is a chicken? How is a guy that does public handicapping considered a chicken?

Nick has one of the best opinions of anyone I have ever known. His public handicapping record is superior. He's also about the least disingenuous person I have ever known. He didn't like American Pharoah. Frankly, no handicapper whose opinion I respect at all liked him on Saturday.

I wasn't calling him a chicken. I was saying I could understand how RTH might think he was chicken by not posting his opinion about AP before he was withdrawn.

I then said that there was still four days still left until the race, meaning that his opinion would have been more than likely posted in the coming days.

Indian Charlie · #10 10-28-2014, 06:36 PM

I am curious as to what all these handicappers saw in AP that made him a toss out in this race.

I saw him far from being a lock in there, but I can see nothing that would make me think he's a complete throwout.

RockHardTen1985 · #11 10-28-2014, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I wasn't calling him a chicken. I was saying I could understand how RTH might think he was chicken by not posting his opinion about AP before he was withdrawn.

I then said that there was still four days still left until the race, meaning that his opinion would have been more than likely posted in the coming days.

I never called him a chicken. I said its a silly thing to say because now the horse is not running anyway. The horse has paired up triple digit beyers, that's big for a 2yr old. Why anyone would call him the biggest bet against of the weekend is confusing to me. I would think horses like Judy the Beauty and No Nay Never at 5-2 and 9-2 would be much bigger bet's against then American Monster.

blackthroatedwind · #12 10-28-2014, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I wasn't calling him a chicken. I was saying I could understand how RTH might think he was chicken by not posting his opinion about AP before he was withdrawn.

I then said that there was still four days still left until the race, meaning that his opinion would have been more than likely posted in the coming days.

I knew what you meant. I should have said it differently.

He set a very slow pace last time, having things very much his own way, and was meeting both better horses and horses that were faster early.

It wasn't that he couldn't win, it was more that he was a reasonably unlikely winner that was going to be favored. That makes him a great bet against.