Sour grapes???

[pointman]

Originally Posted by iamthelurker

Was she ever going to finish higher than 3rd? He didn't make much effort but if he had finished 4th I'd understand the outrage more.

And Cazanova was getting out which is Alvarados only feasible explanation for trying to go inside of him at the point of the turn.

Seriously? Clearly you don't understand the rules of the game.

The horse was on the lead coming off the turn, was never asked to run and Ortiz never went to the whip.

You have never seen a horse come off the turn, be asked and go on to win a race?

[iamthelurker]

Originally Posted by pointman

Seriously? Clearly you don't understand the rules of the game.

The horse was on the lead coming off the turn, was never asked to run and Ortiz never went to the whip.

You have never seen a horse come off the turn, be asked and go on to win a race?

Clearly, someone lost a bet.

He's getting passed by both inside and outside horses coming off the turn while badly getting out (a sign of a tiring horse).

I have seen horses come off the turn be asked for more and go on to win races.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by iamthelurker

Clearly, someone lost a bet.

He's getting passed by both inside and outside horses coming off the turn while badly getting out (a sign of a tiring horse).

I have seen horses come off the turn be asked for more and go on to win races.

I did lose a bet. And I have every right to be pissed off that the horse I bet was ridden by a jock who made no effort to win the race.

Your conclusion that she would not have finished any better is ridiculous and not supported by the evidence. Nothing on the tape suggests the horse was tiring. Horses get out all the time and win races.

The horse was in position to win the race and was never asked. Real bettors understand that a ride like that has to be questioned. It is not too much to ask a rider to move his arms when in position to win a race. The rules and the integrity of the game demand it.

[iamthelurker]

Originally Posted by pointman

I did lose a bet. And I have every right to be pissed off that the horse I bet was ridden by a jock who made no effort to win the race.

Your conclusion that she would not have finished any better is ridiculous and not supported by the evidence. Nothing on the tape suggests the horse was tiring. Horses get out all the time and win races.

The horse was in position to win the race and was never asked. Real bettors understand that a ride like that has to be questioned. It is not too much to ask a rider to move his arms when in position to win a race. The rules and the integrity of the game demand it.

Hold on, are you saying it was a lazy pile of garbage ride (which I agreed with you on) or are you suggesting that Jose Ortiz made a conscious decision to stiff the horse?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by iamthelurker

Hold on, are you saying it was a lazy pile of garbage ride (which I agreed with you on) or are you suggesting that Jose Ortiz made a conscious decision to stiff the horse?

Does it really matter? The issue is whether Ortiz rode Gem City Gal when she was in a position to win the race. I expect a rider to at the very least to put in an effort to try to win a race.

Is it too much to ask Ortiz to at least move his arms when he has the horse in a position to win the race? The integrity of the game demands that the stewards take action in a situation like this. My point was that if the stewards took no action on Gem City Gal, one cannot expect they would take action on the other race. And that is unfortunate.