Chopped Liver

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Subtitle to this book: As long as I'm selling my trash,let me add a few cheap shots! Part of the conspiracy book club,I'm sure! As far as Nixon perpetuating the war...did you know that LBJs' family owned the construction company that made/constructed all the barracks and buildings in 'Nam? No fiduciary interests there! The country was in the mess before Dicky showed up. That war theory is nuts! The Isrealis' lost? News to me,although they are to be commended for no using human shields as the scum Hezobollah did. Just to refresh your memory,half the world have intel on Hussein and Al Queda and deduced the same as the US. So blame the world!

Isn't it amazing how these Republican bashers will blame the Republicans for the Vietnam war? It's incredible. What's funny is that I don't think these people even think that we will notice. They may not even notice it themselves. When you keep lying to yourself and brainwashhing yourself for years, you finally start believeing all the lies. I think that some of these people may have actually forgot who the President was that got us into the war with Vietnam.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Isn't it amazing how these Republican bashers will blame the Republicans for the Vietnam war? It's incredible. What's funny is that I don't think these people even think that we will notice. They may not even notice it themselves. When you keep lying to yourself and brainwashhing yourself for years, you finally start believeing all the lies. I think that some of these people may have actually forgot who the President was that got us into the war with Vietnam.

Rupert,
You might be interested to know that the first president to commit "advisers" to Vietnam was a Republican named Dwight Eisenhower. Look it up.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Rupert,
You might be interested to know that the first president to commit "advisers" to Vietnam was a Republican named Dwight Eisenhower. Look it up.

In that case I guess we should blame the Republicans for Vietnam. I don't know why people would blame the Democrats. They should blame Eisenhower.

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Rupert,
You might be interested to know that the first president to commit "advisers" to Vietnam was a Republican named Dwight Eisenhower. Look it up.

DTS. Did you ever read what Eisenhower said about actually committing troops militarily, ie going to war? He sad no way in hell, it would be a quagmire... you forgot that part.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

DTS. Did you ever read what Eisenhower said about actually committing troops militarily, ie going to war? He sad no way in hell, it would be a quagmire... you forgot that part.

Pgardn,
It was deGaulle that is quoted concerning "quagmire".
http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch26.htm

You, like others that have posted on this thread, are entitled to express your opinions. Facts and history are not subject to manipulation (unlike opinions, they speak on their own).
DTS

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pgardn,
It was deGaulle that is quoted concerning "quagmire".
http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch26.htm

You, like others that have posted on this thread, are entitled to express your opinions. Facts and history are not subject to manipulation (unlike opinions, they speak on their own).
DTS

DTS: Of course they are! That's why schoolbooks have to be re-written every 5 years, to spin the shades of history! You knew that,right?

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

DTS: Of course they are! That's why schoolbooks have to be re-written every 5 years, to spin the shades of history! You knew that,right?

Live and learn! And here all the while I thought the texts were rewritten by McGraw-Hill so that the makers of the tests (also McGraw-Hill) could get the "kiddies" smart enough to maintain their "No Child Left Behind" funding.
Timm, you know so much! Thanks!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Live and learn! And here all the while I thought the texts were rewritten by McGraw-Hill so that the makers of the tests (also McGraw-Hill) could get the "kiddies" smart enough to maintain their "No Child Left Behind" funding.
Timm, you know so much! Thanks!

Always happy to help!

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Pgardn,
It was deGaulle that is quoted concerning "quagmire".
http://www.fsmitha.com/h2/ch26.htm

You, like others that have posted on this thread, are entitled to express your opinions. Facts and history are not subject to manipulation (unlike opinions, they speak on their own).
DTS

Eisenhauer is on record as saying he opposed entering the Vietnam conflict. I have read it from 3 different sources. I put the quagmire in myself. Where have you found that Ike said he wanted to enter the conflict?, I would like to see how historians have manipulated what I have read. I have read he was opposed to the United States getting into this conflict militarily, that is all I have personal read, so I would appreciate the update. Historians do disagree.

ANd I hate to disappoint, but history is constantly manipulated. People on this very board have said we entered the Iraqi conflict to get rid of Saddam. We got into Iraq to find and eliminate weapons of mass destruction. I have already read the manipulation. GW even did it after we found no weapons.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Eisenhauer is on record as saying he opposed entering the Vietnam conflict. I have read it from 3 different sources. I put the quagmire in myself. Where have you found that Ike said he wanted to enter the conflict?, I would like to see how historians have manipulated what I have read. I have read he was opposed to the United States getting into this conflict militarily, that is all I have personal read, so I would appreciate the update. Historians do disagree.

ANd I hate to disappoint, but history is constantly manipulated. People on this very board have said we entered the Iraqi conflict to get rid of Saddam. We got into Iraq to find and eliminate weapons of mass destruction. I have already read the manipulation. GW even did it after we found no weapons.

pgardn,
You are correct that Eisenhower was reluctant to enter a land battle in South East Asia. He did provide advisers. He also realized that if the 1956 elections had been held as scheduled, Ho Chi Min would have have won.
In my view, he was correct in opposing communism. This decision, given the atmosphere in the US at the time, was sensible.
http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/vietnam/causes.htm

Regarding the rewriting of history and manipulating events, you are also correct. The "victors" write the history books. A review of the "Indian Wars" testifies to that. The "story" on Iraq remains unwritten, though the "editing" is ongoing.
DTS