Jockey shenanigans mar BC prep races

[ADJMK]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am sure Espinoza acted alone on those riding tactics Saint Bob again gets a free pass.

Baffert had nothing to do with it. Never discussed pre race at all. Ask all the racing authorities. It was decided a long time ago that trainers with multiple entries in a race would never conspire to use one horse to help another entrant in their barn hence all the uncoupled entries.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by ADJMK

Baffert had nothing to do with it. Never discussed pre race at all. Ask all the racing authorities. It was decided a long time ago that trainers with multiple entries in a race would never conspire to use one horse to help another entrant in their barn hence all the uncoupled entries.

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[freddymo]

I have no clue why there is such outrage over simply gamesmanship. Days for what? Do they give days for no shot rabbits that pressure other speeds and compromise their chance of winning? Unless someone endangers another they are free to ride to incorporate ant tactics. Can you really KNOW Espinoza was not trying to win? I cant. I see a lot of people attempting to judge something that is completely subjective.

On that note, Did anyone hear the swill Bailey was emoting... Did he forget how the boys teamed up on Smarty Jones in Belmont. Please Mr Bailey have a heart

[my miss storm cat]

Disagree with that first part, Mr. Mo, but yeah.. that was classic.

Somewhere Eddington winced...

[pointman]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I have no clue why there is such outrage over simply gamesmanship. Days for what? Do they give days for no shot rabbits that pressure other speeds and compromise their chance of winning? Unless someone endangers another they are free to ride to incorporate ant tactics. Can you really KNOW Espinoza was not trying to win? I cant. I see a lot of people attempting to judge something that is completely subjective.

On that note, Did anyone hear the swill Bailey was emoting... Did he forget how the boys teamed up on Smarty Jones in Belmont. Please Mr Bailey have a heart

Seriously, Freddy? You can't tell the difference between a rider that is just an idiot and one that is not trying to win the race with his/her mount?

Having said that, agree about Bailey. He should have been suspended for what he did with Eddington as it was clear he was not trying to win that race. That is a fraud on the betting public.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by pointman

Seriously, Freddy? You can't tell the difference between a rider that is just an idiot and one that is not trying to win the race with his/her mount?

Having said that, agree about Bailey. He should have been suspended for what he did with Eddington as it was clear he was not trying to win that race. That is a fraud on the betting public.

So a 35 claimer rabbit employed to compromise a speed type is OK?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by freddymo

So a 35 claimer rabbit employed to compromise a speed type is OK?

Rabbits have been used forever. The difference is that the rabbit is used to employ its speed to tire a horse who has speed and cannot be controlled to be rated, not used in a dangerous manner to impede a horse from winning.

You know sometimes rabbits don't know their role and forget to stop running.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by pointman

Rabbits have been used forever. The difference is that the rabbit is used to employ its speed to tire a horse who has speed and cannot be controlled to be rated, not used in a dangerous manner to impede a horse from winning.

You know sometime rabbits don't know their role and forget to stop running.

A horse who has natural speed and is put on the front end is being given a fair ride, if there are two horses in a race with that same style the betting public knows that going in. Its a fair scenario.

If a closer is sent to the lead for no apparent reason then things should be explained.

This is even more important with non coupled entries.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I have no clue why there is such outrage over simply gamesmanship. Days for what? Do they give days for no shot rabbits that pressure other speeds and compromise their chance of winning? Unless someone endangers another they are free to ride to incorporate ant tactics. Can you really KNOW Espinoza was not trying to win? I cant. I see a lot of people attempting to judge something that is completely subjective.

On that note, Did anyone hear the swill Bailey was emoting... Did he forget how the boys teamed up on Smarty Jones in Belmont. Please Mr Bailey have a heart

i think it's more a 'wait a minute, didn't baffert just go on a weeks long rant about this type of ride?' moment...
as for the ride, i think you should get called to the carpet for carrying a horse really wide, or for herding.

[KirisClown]

Originally Posted by freddymo

On that note, Did anyone hear the swill Bailey was emoting... Did he forget how the boys teamed up on Smarty Jones in Belmont. Please Mr Bailey have a heart

Stewart Elliott is blameless?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

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