The Elusive Triple Crown

[RollerDoc]

Let's face it, the chances for a Triple Crown in the modern era of horse racing is evolving into a bigger long shot than the Mine That Bird's D'atara's, and Giacomo's of their sport.

Even if Super Saver would have won today, do you really think he would have had a realistic chance against a well rested Ice Box among others in the Belmont? While I didn't bet Lookin AT Lucky, on paper he was the talent of the Preakness and that talent prevailed.

I know some of the older folks on here think that any comparisons of the past few years' horses don't stack up to Secretariat, Seattle Slew, and Affirmed. I have tons of respect for those three and all the others that achieved the Triple Crown.

It's been 32 years since we have had a Triple Crown Winner. There is no reason to think another one will happen in the next 32 years. Maybe Smarty Jones and Big Brown really were the Superhorses of this changing era.

[Cannon Shell]

Maybe if Real Quiet or Silver Charm were about 10 feet better we wouldnt be talking about this. Truthfully what horse in the last 20 years deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as any triple crown winner?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe if Real Quiet or Silver Charm were about 10 feet better we wouldnt be talking about this. Truthfully what horse in the last 20 years deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as any triple crown winner?

Smarty Jones and Silver Charm... maybe. None of the others.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe if Real Quiet or Silver Charm were about 10 feet better we wouldnt be talking about this. Truthfully what horse in the last 20 years deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as any triple crown winner?

Agreed, and for the matter couldn't you also include Smarty (since Birdstone passed him right before the wire)? And maybe I'm reaching a little bit, but Alfleet Alex had a bad trip in the KD and still almost pulled it out.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Maybe if Real Quiet or Silver Charm were about 10 feet better we wouldnt be talking about this. Truthfully what horse in the last 20 years deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as any triple crown winner?

Holy Bull, Candy Ride, Point Given?

In terms of talented 3 year olds. No?

[Danzig]

hell, some of the triple crown winners don't deserve being spoken of in the same breath as other tc and non-t.c. winners.

[packerbacker7964]

I think if they ever limit the Derby to 14 of the top horses instead of having a herd in the gate then maybe. Point Given comes to mind when I think of this happening.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by packerbacker7964

I think if they ever limit the Derby to 14 of the top horses instead of having a herd in the gate then maybe. Point Given comes to mind when I think of this happening.

You think Monarchos wouldn't have been in the field of 14??

Or Congaree?

I don't get it.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Let's face it, the chances for a Triple Crown in the modern era of horse racing is evolving into a bigger long shot than the Mine That Bird's D'atara's, and Giacomo's of their sport.

Even if Super Saver would have won today, do you really think he would have had a realistic chance against a well rested Ice Box among others in the Belmont? While I didn't bet Lookin AT Lucky, on paper he was the talent of the Preakness and that talent prevailed.

I know some of the older folks on here think that any comparisons of the past few years' horses don't stack up to Secretariat, Seattle Slew, and Affirmed. I have tons of respect for those three and all the others that achieved the Triple Crown.

It's been 32 years since we have had a Triple Crown Winner. There is no reason to think another one will happen in the next 32 years. Maybe Smarty Jones and Big Brown really were the Superhorses of this changing era.

And Spectacular Bid was probable better that the triple crown winners.

You're right I have not seen a race horse that comes close to these.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

And Spectacular Bid was probable better that the triple crown winners.

The '79 Jockey Club Gold Cup and '78 Marlboro Cup suggests a very different ranking of Seattle Slew to Affirmed to Spectacular Bid.

[FATPIANO]

And Spectacular Bid was probable better that the triple crown winners.

110% CORRECT

[dean smith]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Let's face it, the chances for a Triple Crown in the modern era of horse racing is evolving into a bigger long shot than the Mine That Bird's D'atara's, and Giacomo's of their sport.

Even if Super Saver would have won today, do you really think he would have had a realistic chance against a well rested Ice Box among others in the Belmont? While I didn't bet Lookin AT Lucky, on paper he was the talent of the Preakness and that talent prevailed.

I know some of the older folks on here think that any comparisons of the past few years' horses don't stack up to Secretariat, Seattle Slew, and Affirmed. I have tons of respect for those three and all the others that achieved the Triple Crown.

It's been 32 years since we have had a Triple Crown Winner. There is no reason to think another one will happen in the next 32 years. Maybe Smarty Jones and Big Brown really were the Superhorses of this changing era.

Respectfully, don't you think this kind of thinking might just be a knee-jerk reaction to the disappointment of another Triple Crown try-less Belmont? I mean, in the less than ten years that I've been following the sport, there have been, what, four TC chances? Three of them were competitive in the third leg (Smarty Jones was a real close call), and the fourth (Big Brown) was a mortal lock in the eyes of many people with recognized opinions. Maybe I'm too green to know any better, but I don't see how it's not going to happen eventually -- and probably sooner rather than later.

[westcoastinvader]

Originally Posted by dean smith

Respectfully, don't you think this kind of thinking might just be a knee-jerk reaction to the disappointment of another Triple Crown try-less Belmont? I mean, in the less than ten years that I've been following the sport, there have been, what, four TC chances? Three of them were competitive in the third leg (Smarty Jones was a real close call), and the fourth was a mortal lock in the eyes of many people with recognized opinions. Maybe I'm too green to know any better, but I don't see how it's not going to happen eventually -- and probably sooner rather than later.

I remember being a great doubter of Seattle Slew in 1977.

33 years ago. A fricking "one third of a century."

I attended his Preakness and his Belmont. Very happy I did.

I remember well that Secretariat's 1973 campaign was always discussed with mention of Citation.



Some nice horse will again win The Triple Crown one day.

I just hope I have the right angle wagered along the way.

[chucklestheclown]

Originally Posted by westcoastinvader

I just hope I have the right angle wagered along the way.

[SilverRP]

Until the trainers train their horses for the TP, there will not be one. 4-6 weeks between races leading up to the TP is not going to help any Kentucky Derby winner's chances. Basically the horses have been sissified, yet we expect them to run a 1 1/4, 1 3/16, and a 1 1/2 in 5 weeks.

[PeteMugg]

I can see it happening. One mediocre crop after another, it wouldn't even have to be a super horse, just one that can catch a few breaks. Then we'll be discussing how it's the worst Triple Crown winner in history.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by SilverRP

Until the trainers train their horses for the TP, there will not be one. 4-6 weeks between races leading up to the TP is not going to help any Kentucky Derby winner's chances. Basically the horses have been sissified, yet we expect them to run a 1 1/4, 1 3/16, and a 1 1/2 in 5 weeks.

What he said. You need a fit horse like Alex (who trained twice a day, if you recall) to run well in all three.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SilverRP

Until the trainers train their horses for the TP, there will not be one. 4-6 weeks between races leading up to the TP is not going to help any Kentucky Derby winner's chances. Basically the horses have been sissified, yet we expect them to run a 1 1/4, 1 3/16, and a 1 1/2 in 5 weeks.

Again did you miss the Silver Charm and Real Quiet TC trys? We almost had 2 and everyone would have been talking about it being too easy to win. There have been plenty of horses that have had legit chances that just missed.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by dean smith

Respectfully, don't you think this kind of thinking might just be a knee-jerk reaction to the disappointment of another Triple Crown try-less Belmont? I mean, in the less than ten years that I've been following the sport, there have been, what, four TC chances? Three of them were competitive in the third leg (Smarty Jones was a real close call), and the fourth (Big Brown) was a mortal lock in the eyes of many people with recognized opinions. Maybe I'm too green to know any better, but I don't see how it's not going to happen eventually -- and probably sooner rather than later.

I don't know, maybe you're right. I just feel there is more of a reason as to why it won't happen as opposed to anytime it will. Here's just a few.

1. A bad post position (Lookin At Lucky @KD)
2. A horse that just isn't feeling right on race day (since horses can't talk...)
3. A quarter crack (Big Brown)
4. A horse more bred for distance like a Birdstone (Birdstone)
5. Weather conditions (Super Saver)
6. A rested and fresh horse (Rags To Riches, maybe this year Ice Box)

[smartbid09]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Let's face it, the chances for a Triple Crown in the modern era of horse racing is evolving into a bigger long shot than the Mine That Bird's D'atara's, and Giacomo's of their sport.

Even if Super Saver would have won today, do you really think he would have had a realistic chance against a well rested Ice Box among others in the Belmont? While I didn't bet Lookin AT Lucky, on paper he was the talent of the Preakness and that talent prevailed.

I know some of the older folks on here think that any comparisons of the past few years' horses don't stack up to Secretariat, Seattle Slew, and Affirmed. I have tons of respect for those three and all the others that achieved the Triple Crown.

It's been 32 years since we have had a Triple Crown Winner. There is no reason to think another one will happen in the next 32 years. Maybe Smarty Jones and Big Brown really were the Superhorses of this changing era.

Hey RollerDoc, Great post.
Point Given is living proof that horses still exist who could win the triple crown.

In 2001 Point Given lost the kentucky derby (perhaps to foot issues or a bad ride) but in my eyes Point Given had to goods to have won the triple crown.
There will 1000% be another triple crown winner.