Preference on healthcare reform issue

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, I am the one calling people names here. Not our 'moderators'.

cry me a river. I'd stop calling you names if you kept your idiotic opinions to yourself. but noooooo you are the queen know it all on every single topic under the sun!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

cry me a river. I'd stop calling you names if you kept your idiotic opinions to yourself. but noooooo you are the queen know it all on every single topic under the sun!

You are actually blaming me, for 'making you' call me names?

What are you, five years old?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are actually blaming me, for 'making you' call me names?

What are you, five years old?

yes I am thank you very much.

You post dumb opinions/thoughts routinely.. and in return you should expect to be called names. no such thing as a free lunch or something along those lines. You're like the gales of the Politics section.. he gets called out when hes posting dumb things too...

Actually you are more like Gales and Booth Operator rolled into one.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

You post dumb opinions/thoughts routinely.. and in return you should expect to be called names. .

Then many of us have been far too generous regarding your posts

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then many of us have been far too generous regarding your posts

Honestly it is more fun to sit on the sidelines and continue to watch you make a fool of yourself (and then calling you out) than actually chiming in with opinions. And I only comment on things I feel like I understand a little. Obviously you seem to feel like you understand EVERYTHING!! It's good you have confidence at least!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Honestly it is more fun to sit on the sidelines

No, please - continue to dart out and call names at those who hold differing opinions than yours.

It's your duty as a Libertarian not to tolerate differences of opinion, other than your own

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, please - continue to dart out and call names at those who hold differing opinions than yours.

It's your duty as a Libertarian not to tolerate differences of opinion, other than your own

if you've noticed the only people that get names thrown at them are you, Booth Operator, and Timmi.

You can draw your own conclusions!! lol (no offense Timmi)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

if you've noticed the only people that get names thrown at them are you, Booth Operator, and Timmi.

You can draw your own conclusions!! lol (no offense Timmi)

My conclusion is that if it makes you feel better about yourself to call other people names, have at it

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

My conclusion is that if it makes you feel better about yourself to call other people names, have at it

Thanks buddy!!!! And feel free to keep on posting crap opinions!!!

[Riot]

The below is what Obama wants included in the Healthcare Reform act (what he wants in there during reconciliation):

Children with pre-existing conditions will no longer be denied insurance coverage (starts this year)
Lifetime coverage limits will be removed.
You will be covered for preventive care.
You can no longer be denied insurance due to pre-existing conditions.
You can no longer have your rates jacked up or be dropped when you get sick.

Medicare benefits will not be cut.
Medicare holders will get more preventive benefits (like cancer screenings) at no cost
Donut hole gap will be closed for prescription meds

People will keep their own doctors and current coverage in plans they have now (nothing affects or changes that)
No business will be required to provide insurance to their employees.

Businesses who provide insurance to their employees will be protected against arbitrary high rate hikes because one employee gets sick.

Insurance companies cannot charge businesses for coverage based upon individual employee health status

People who do not get insurance through work, and small businesses who do not have insurance for their employees, will be able to purchase the same type of excellent insurance marketplace Government employees & Congress has.

People and companies who still cannot afford this lowered price pool will get some tax cuts to help pay for it (expected to be the largest middle class tax cut in history)

The CBO says people buying health plans in the individual market now will retain the exact same plan, but see their premiums go down 10-14%

Insurance company studies on workplace insurance plans have shown this could reduce premiums for employer-paid work plans by $3000 per employee per year.

CBO says the above plan in total will reduce deficit by one trillion dollars. The Medicare Trust Fund life will be extended 9 years.

[Danzig]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...siness/economy


Deficits higher than Obama forecast: CBO

By Doug Palmer
Reuters
Friday, March 5, 2010; 11:49 PM

President Barack Obama's budget plans would rack up $9.8 trillion more debt by 2020, or $1.2 trillion more than the White House has forecast, the Congressional Budget Office said on Friday.



But working with staff of the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, it made a preliminary estimate that Obama's proposals would boost the budget deficit in fiscal 2010 to $1.5 trillion, or 10.3 percent of U.S. gross domestic product.

"Measured relative to the size of the economy, the deficit under the President's proposals would fall to about 4 percent of GDP by 2014 but would rise steadily thereafter," CBO said


"Under the President's budget, debt held by the public would grow from $7.5 trillion (53 percent of GDP) at the end of 2009 to $20.3 trillion (90 percent of GDP) at the end of 2020," CBO said.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, please - continue to dart out and call names at those who hold differing opinions than yours.
It's your duty as a Libertarian not to tolerate differences of opinion, other than your own

you mean, like this:

Originally Posted by Riot

Hardly. The comment was in regards to some people on this list who repeatedly, broadly and stupidly paint all government with the same broad brush of their ignorance.

Some are apparently to dense to realize that their ability to sit on an internet list and spout off, complaining about our government in broad, general first-grade terms while completely ignoring - or being ignorant of - the thousands of other ways our government has made life in this country better - is the sanctimonious crap.
It's just more, "Keep your government hands off my Medicare" - type true ignorance.
Someone thinks the FDA is worthless or useless? Go ahead. Abolish it as Arl Jim would love to see, and see what happens to your safety and lifestyle. FCC? Same thing. Agriculture? The Federal Court system?

Welcome back to life in the Third World. Your hard work and ingenuity will serve you well, but you sure won't enjoy the lifestyle and safety you have now. Who gave you the environment to be able to "earn where we are". Your government.

i mean, if you want to call names and bash folks with a different opinion, go for it. but the part where you complain when people do the same to you-well, that gets old. it's almost, dare i say (dare, dare!) hypocritical. you justify doing it( you once said "he started it"---but anti-trust is five?!), but whine when others do it.

[Riot]

you mean, like this:

Yeah, 'Zig. That was after you called one of my posts, "sanctimonious crap", right?

Calling someone sanctimonious doesn't count as name-calling or insult when you do it?

But if I respond after your post in kind, I'm suddenly the bad one?

you justify doing it( you once said "he started it"---but anti-trust is five?!)

So I guess you missed the part where Lori called me an idiot? Then she said I made her call me names? And that is why I asked if she were five? And you are getting after me about calling Lori five, but that's okay for her to call me an idiot in your book?

Thanks, 'Zig, that's good to know about you <vbg>

So I guess it's not offensive to you for some down here to hurl insults at people (idiot, ****, stupid, etc) - it's just not right when the recipients start returning the fire? <vbg>

I no longer feel compelled to always ignore the rude crap some of the bullies down here fling around on a regular basis. Sorry. If you can't debate politics "like an adult", as Simon likes to say, and have to resort to discussing the poster and their intelligence, etc, expect to get it back in one's face. Judging by my private messages today and yesterday, that isn't a minority opinion at all <g>

[Antitrust32]

please point out where i said you made me call you names?

this was my quote "I'd stop calling you names if you kept your idiotic opinions to yourself"

but you are the Queen at making stuff up thats for sure.. or pulling it out of your ass.

congrats on your private messages, you are still an idiot.

actually, here is the deal, if you stop coming off as such an arrogant jerk in all your posts, maybe people will be nice to you back.

[Riot]

please point out where i said you made me call you names?

this was my quote "I'd stop calling you names if you kept your idiotic opinions to yourself"

Originally Posted by Riot
You are actually blaming me, for 'making you' call me names?

Lori: yes I am thank you very much.

but you are the Queen at making stuff up thats for sure..

Apparently not as much as you.

congrats on your private messages, you are still an idiot.

You are an idiot, too We can start a club!

actually, here is the deal, if you stop coming off as such an arrogant jerk in all your posts, maybe people will be nice to you back.

Actually, I don't make "deals" with people who are nasty to me.

You are free to think I am an arrogant jerk, and I have an awfully lot of people that are already very nice to me, thanks

Even on Derby Trail, where I dare to have voted for Obama, and refuse to be the least bit ashamed of it

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, 'Zig. That was after you called one of my posts, "sanctimonious crap", right?

Calling someone sanctimonious doesn't count as name-calling or insult when you do it?

But if I respond after your post in kind, I'm suddenly the bad one?



So I guess you missed the part where Lori called me an idiot? Then she said I made her call me names? And that is why I asked if she were five? And you are getting after me about calling Lori five, but that's okay for her to call me an idiot in your book?

Thanks, 'Zig, that's good to know about you <vbg>

So I guess it's not offensive to you for some down here to hurl insults at people (idiot, ****, stupid, etc) - it's just not right when the recipients start returning the fire? <vbg>

I no longer feel compelled to always ignore the rude crap some of the bullies down here fling around on a regular basis. Sorry. If you can't debate politics "like an adult", as Simon likes to say, and have to resort to discussing the poster and their intelligence, etc, expect to get it back in one's face. Judging by my private messages today and yesterday, that isn't a minority opinion at all <g>

ok, like i said, i don't care if you call people names, or if anyone else does-if anyone chooses to do that, it's their business. what i was trying to explain to you was that as soon as you think someone has insulted YOU, you go on and on about it. but when you return the favor, you find a way to justify it. that's why i said you're a hypocrite about it.

as for pm's, i'm sure they're sent that way for a reason. it's why i don't bother bringing them up, since they have nothing to do with a public discussion. if people don't wish to post here, that's their choice.

and as for me saying something you posted was sanctimonious crap, i was talking about the comment itself, not the poster. you can take that as you will, i don't care. people have taken me to task in the past for things i said, generally i consider what they say-as they may just have a point.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

are we spoiled because of our govt, or because of our hard work and ingenuity? the govt didn't give me my skills or my job, my husbands either. we earned where we are. this is sanctimonious crap.