Great speech by Hillary

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You know what's better than sound bites? Supporting the democratic or republican party and being stuck with the belief that there can only be two viable parties.

You know what's also better than sound bites? Spending billions on foreign aid AND BORROWING from China to fund it.

I'm rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.

I'm stuck with the belief there can only be two viable parties because that's the way it is unfortunately. John Anderson, Perot, Paul, Nader...nothing....no real support. And those are good people.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

WELL, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR FOR THE A-HOLE IN THERE NOW. A LOT OF YOU DID, and you got a lot of fatherless children to show for it. That's right. you, Girvan... Probably another 20,000 crippled up, and mamed. You couldn't do without him, and he has pissed away how much money in that pit? A trillion bucks? McCain was there backing that waste of lives n' money the whole way. For what? Now those people (who he says he is staying there to help) have demanded he set a a date to leave.........and Danzig, you're wrong about the Supreme Court. It's conservative now(as it was when they ended the 2000 election.) It was liberal leaning during ROE V. WADE. If you don't think the court can get heavily stacked, then just wait n' see what takes place if McCain gets elected. There are 2 Liberals that are aging. For sure 1 or both will retire or die soon. The senate can only get a slightly less radical extreme. They can't get rid of the extreme. Bush put his Conservatives on there. Notice that? It was up to him. Wasn't it? Yes. Throw another Conservative on there, and then see what happens. Gunna tip, and tip hard. Al Quaeda tore down those 2 buildings when this a-s-s was in charge. His people ignored information before it took place. Al Quaeda killed 4 thousand Americans, and Bush got another 4 thousand Americans(and counting) killed. Still didn't get Bin Laden. Conservatives are correct on immigration. Most every other country gives value to it's people's citizenship. Not this one. We de-value American Citizenship every time we ignore illegal immigration. Even when his party was right on that issue, this a-hole dragged his feet on it(same as McCain is doing.) War is sometimes necessary. It wasn't necessary this time. History will show he smoked 4k Americans for not a good enough reason. What ever his pathetic reason was, it wasn't good enough. If you voted for this a-s-s, then you gotta share some of that guilt.

but i've been hearing this 'doomsday and gloom' prophecy for years, and it hasn't happened. i dont' see roe v wade ever being overturned, for what it's worth, i don't want it to be. i'm also liberal leaning in that i don't think only heterosexuals should be allowed to enjoy the benefits of marriage.
as for the towers, i think clinton bears a lot of that burden, as he had ample opportunity to get the very guy who lead the charge on that. he did nothing when the cole was hit, he did nothing when bin laden was offered to him. it is in that respect ( as well as others, including the sex scandals) in that BOTH parties are the same type. both pander to lobbyists ( just depends on what type company you are talking about as to who is in who's pocket), both think only their party has the answers. guess what, they don't. neither do i, and scuds, neither do you.
i appreciate some of what obama has to say, as well as some of mccains. i'd imagine most do. and i'd think that most are centrists, yet it is the far left/right who get all the press. but how many of us truly follow the whole party line? i don't, which is why i'm glad i live in a state in which you don't have to declare for one or the other party.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but i've been hearing this 'doomsday and gloom' prophecy for years, and it hasn't happened. i dont' see roe v wade ever being overturned, for what it's worth, i don't want it to be. i'm also liberal leaning in that i don't think only heterosexuals should be allowed to enjoy the benefits of marriage.
as for the towers, i think clinton bears a lot of that burden, as he had ample opportunity to get the very guy who lead the charge on that. he did nothing when the cole was hit, he did nothing when bin laden was offered to him. it is in that respect ( as well as others, including the sex scandals) in that BOTH parties are the same type. both pander to lobbyists ( just depends on what type company you are talking about as to who is in who's pocket), both think only their party has the answers. guess what, they don't. neither do i, and scuds, neither do you.
i appreciate some of what obama has to say, as well as some of mccains. i'd imagine most do. and i'd think that most are centrists, yet it is the far left/right who get all the press. but how many of us truly follow the whole party line? i don't, which is why i'm glad i live in a state in which you don't have to declare for one or the other party.

Well said.

On another note, someone from the democratic party should drag Jesse Jackson off of the screen.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but i've been hearing this 'doomsday and gloom' prophecy for years, and it hasn't happened.

I totally disagree with that. The majority of Americans have been against us staying in Iraq as the dead American count has gone from 1000 to 4000 etc. He lost control of both houses of Congress because of it, but he just kept pissin' away American lives. I guess Congress could of stop funding it, but he would of still found a way to stay there. It has happened. You just don't find 4k Americans dead to be as objectionable as some others do. I don't think it was a necessary thing at all. Just his waste of human life...If you are talking specifically about the Supreme Court, they(conservative members of the court) have the votes to do what they choose to do. Lets see what they do when they don't have a Presidential election involved. Like next year. We will see what they do.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I totally disagree with that. The majority of Americans have been against us staying in Iraq as the dead American count has gone from 1000 to 4000 etc. He lost control of both houses of Congress because of it, but he just kept pissin' away American lives. I guess Congress could of stop funding it, but he would of still found a way to stay there. It has happened. You just don't find 4k Americans dead to be as objectionable as some others do. I don't think it was a necessary thing at all. Just his waste of human life...If you are talking specifically about the Supreme Court, they(conservative members of the court) have the votes to do what they choose to do. Lets see what they do when they don't have an Presidential election involved. Like next year. We will see what they do.

yes, i was talking about the supreme court. not sure why you mentioned the war, as i've said more than once that i thought it was a mistake to go back in there. bush completely misunderstood, or chose to ignore, the realities of the situation regarding iraq and iran.
but now we have finally made inroads in that war, and looks as tho we will begin pulling out soon. and that's due to the surge petraus asked for, and that mccain supported-that support at the time had everyone saying mccain was dead in the water as a candidate.
thing is, if you're going to fight a war-and bush is an idiot in that he got us in something we shouldn't have got into, and then he half-assed it--then you have to go all in from the get go. it really has been put on the back burner lately it seems, with dems pretty much ignoring it ever since the tide turned over there.
maybe we can get out of iraq, and turn more of our attention to afganistan, and getting out of it as well.
but iran...that's the issue now, and it's bushes fault it has become one.

also, as for the supreme court....their ruling on the 2nd amendment regarding gun laws was great. as long as they go by the constitution, i think we'll be fine. they didn't get on the court by being stupid.
as for roe v wade..i don't see it getting overturned, and i don't think it should be. i think it's a shame that so many get hooked on just that one issue. i don't think it should be the one deciding factor on who to vote for. imo there are far bigger issues.