Great speech by Hillary

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I don't think any poster on here said elections don't matter.

In the following quote:

I think this country is f.ucked either way. It really doesn't matter who is in office.

you're saying it does not matter who is in office. The same"fkd" result will be the outcome. You're saying right here that elections don't matter. If a Democrat had been in office ,then Scalia wouldn't have been nominated. You then say that the issues the Supreme Court decides (such as civil rights, abortion , civil liberties etc.) aren't as important as other issues. That's only because you take them for granite. Get enough Conservatives on the Court, and see how long you have civil liberties. It won't be for long. They would be like Turkey(block any internet sites they deem offensive...like about 1000...including YOUTUBE ETC.) They'd outlaw abortion etc. Actually I am o.k. with that, but many people aren't. If HEALTH CARE is an important issue to you then how can you say it doesn't matter who is the President? One party wants to do something about healthcare, and the other wants to do very little(other than healthcare savings accounts.) Again, the 2 people running for President aren't close on their views about healthcare. I would think it would matter a great deal which one is elected.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

In the following quote:

I think this country is f.ucked either way. It really doesn't matter who is in office.

you're saying it does not matter who is in office. The same"fkd" result will be the outcome. You're saying right here that elections don't matter. If a Democrat had been in office ,then Scalia wouldn't have been nominated. You then say that the issues the Supreme Court decides (such as civil rights, abortion , civil liberties etc.) aren't as important as other issues. That's only because you take them for granite. Get enough Conservatives on the Court, and see how long you have civil liberties. It won't be for long. They would be like Turkey(block any internet sites they deem offensive...like about 1000...including YOUTUBE ETC.) They'd outlaw abortion etc. Actually I am o.k. with that, but many people aren't. If HEALTH CARE is an important issue to you then how can you say it doesn't matter who is the President? One party wants to do something about healthcare, and the other wants to do very little(other than healthcare savings accounts.) Again, the 2 people running for President aren't close on their views about healthcare. I would think it would matter a great deal which one is elected.

Not entirely true. I also take them for platinum, gold, and silver.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

That's called an eggcorn.

acorn= looks like could be a combo of corn and an egg.

granite= cheap rock

take something for granite=take something for cheap rock

take something for granted= doesn't really paint a picture, but people prefer this one...........Slowly it will change to the alternate form. The eggcorn will become the accepted.

Characteristic of the eggcorn is that the new phrase makes sense on some level ('old-timer's disease' for 'Alzheimer's disease').

[timmgirvan]

so we've found your achilles heel...word games! BTW, youtube also yanks conservative stuff from its' site,but there's no lack of crappy music on there!
You get what you pay for,huh? You're always screaming about civil rights,but you don't bring any personal examples to the table. If you think that the Democratic "braintrust" has the answer for healthcare,then you are mistaken! They will bankrupt this country by taxing the very things that make cash move in this country. Bubba Clinton cooked the books and floated the 10bil surplus,but nobody bothered to read the fine print! He gutted the Defense and Intelligence budgets,let half the countrys' secrets flee to China and generally allowed Al Queda to flourish! Yeah... we need more of that!

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

so we've found your achilles heel...word games! BTW, youtube also yanks conservative stuff from its' site,but there's no lack of crappy music on there!
You get what you pay for,huh? You're always screaming about civil rights,but you don't bring any personal examples to the table. If you think that the Democratic "braintrust" has the answer for healthcare,then you are mistaken! They will bankrupt this country by taxing the very things that make cash move in this country. Bubba Clinton cooked the books and floated the 10bil surplus,but nobody bothered to read the fine print! He gutted the Defense and Intelligence budgets,let half the countrys' secrets flee to China and generally allowed Al Queda to flourish! Yeah... we need more of that!

Amen brother. Everyone makes Bill Clinton to be this great president. He didnt do **** and he didn't do anything about this Al Queda problem eventhough they bombed the WTC (the first time), the US Embassy in Kenya, USS Cole.. and numerous other attacks around the world. Clinton was really nothing special. at all.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Yeah, anyone would look like the greatest president of all-time if they held office in between the terms of the two corrupt imbeciles who came before and after Clinton.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

How does Clinton rank compared to both Dubya and his father?

It's like ranking Special Olympic track and field athletes.

[Danzig]

since lyndon johnson, we've had ford, carter, reagan, bush, clinton, bush. four reps, two dems. but in that time, has the court been 'stacked'? no, and not with more reps in office in the last 30-odd years. altho the president gets to nominate a justice, they still have to get approved. there can't be a stacking of the supreme court, regardless of who the chief executive is, because he isn't the only one with any say in the matter.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

since lyndon johnson, we've had ford, carter, reagan, bush, clinton, bush. four reps, two dems. but in that time, has the court been 'stacked'? no, and not with more reps in office in the last 30-odd years. altho the president gets to nominate a justice, they still have to get approved. there can't be a stacking of the supreme court, regardless of who the chief executive is, because he isn't the only one with any say in the matter.

That's not true...Except Reagan, and why I'm not sure, President's pick the justice who lines up with their moral beliefs ( because that's how the Supreme Court really affects us) and is still acceptable enough to get passed. If give the choice between Charlton Heston or John Roberts, who do you think will get nominated..It's the lesser of two evils. And yes, it works both ways

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GBBob

That's not true...Except Reagan, and why I'm not sure, President's pick the justice who lines up with their moral beliefs ( because that's how the Supreme Court really affects us) and is still acceptable enough to get passed. If give the choice between Charlton Heston or John Roberts, who do you think will get nominated..It's the lesser of two evils. And yes, it works both ways

then why hasn't it happened? abortion hasn't been overturned, our bill of rights still there, etc, etc. my point was that if the evil (enter party here) ones wanted to stack the court, they've had ample opportunity. yet it hasn't happened.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Danzig

then why hasn't it happened? abortion hasn't been overturned, our bill of rights still there, etc, etc. my point was that if the evil (enter party here) ones wanted to stack the court, they've had ample opportunity. yet it hasn't happened.

Because one party hasn't held the presidency long enough to get enough justices on board. If Clinton hadn't won, abortion would be illegal and if Bush hadn't won, concealed carry wouldn't be legal now, and so on..If McCain wins and Stephens retires, watch what happens

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Amen brother. Everyone makes Bill Clinton to be this great president. He didnt do **** and he didn't do anything about this Al Queda problem eventhough they bombed the WTC (the first time), the US Embassy in Kenya, USS Cole.. and numerous other attacks around the world. Clinton was really nothing special. at all.

WELL, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR FOR THE A-HOLE IN THERE NOW. A LOT OF YOU DID, and you got a lot of fatherless children to show for it. That's right. you, Girvan... Probably another 20,000 crippled up, and mamed. You couldn't do without him, and he has pissed away how much money in that pit? A trillion bucks? McCain was there backing that waste of lives n' money the whole way. For what? Now those people (who he says he is staying there to help) have demanded he set a a date to leave.........and Danzig, you're wrong about the Supreme Court. It's conservative now(as it was when they ended the 2000 election.) It was liberal leaning during ROE V. WADE. If you don't think the court can get heavily stacked, then just wait n' see what takes place if McCain gets elected. There are 2 Liberals that are aging. For sure 1 or both will retire or die soon. The senate can only get a slightly less radical extreme. They can't get rid of the extreme. Bush put his Conservatives on there. Notice that? It was up to him. Wasn't it? Yes. Throw another Conservative on there, and then see what happens. Gunna tip, and tip hard. Al Quaeda tore down those 2 buildings when this a-s-s was in charge. His people ignored information before it took place. Al Quaeda killed 4 thousand Americans, and Bush got another 4 thousand Americans(and counting) killed. Still didn't get Bin Laden. Conservatives are correct on immigration. Most every other country gives value to it's people's citizenship. Not this one. We de-value American Citizenship every time we ignore illegal immigration. Even when his party was right on that issue, this a-hole dragged his feet on it(same as McCain is doing.) War is sometimes necessary. It wasn't necessary this time. History will show he smoked 4k Americans for not a good enough reason. What ever his pathetic reason was, it wasn't good enough. If you voted for this a-s-s, then you gotta share some of that guilt.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

What's ridiculous is to tell people that the parties are in any way equal. A child could examine the Supreme Court Justices chosen by each President and see very large differences in the way these people vote on important issues So, you're simply dead wrong, and the rest of these people saying this crap(parties are the same) are also. For the most part, we have a very ignorant electorate. You want another a-hole like Scalia making decisions about the way we live? They asked McCain which justices he wouldn't have appointed. He never said a damn thing about Scalia....nooooooo. He mentioned 3 of the Supreme Court justices nominated by Clinton. When people come on here and say Presidential Elections don't matter much, they simply show their ignorance. I don't want another Scalia. Given a chance to say Scalia was somebody he wouldn't have nominated, McCain didn't do it. That's a huge difference between the 2 candidates, and the 2 parties. Scalia is the worst Supreme Court Justice ever, and Obama would say that. McCain didn't even mention him as one of the 3 he wouldn't of nominated. Huuuuuuge
difference.

Scalia may be an idealogue but he is not a dumb butt.

Clarence Thomas is an absolute disgrace. He is apparently a nice man,
but he is just flat out inferior compared to anyone of the Supreme Court
justices.

You are blathering away about the wrong conservative justice.

I see many positives in both candidates this year.
This is a much more hopeful situation imo, even though
the country as a whole has suffered a large blow
in international prestige, and the economy has been stifled.

As an indepedent, this is a good year for me.
We have legitimate choices.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

WELL, I DIDN'T VOTE FOR FOR THE A-HOLE IN THERE NOW. A LOT OF YOU DID, and you got a lot of fatherless children to show for it. That's right. you, Girvan... Probably another 20,000 crippled up, and mamed. You couldn't do without him, and he has pissed away how much money in that pit? A trillion bucks? McCain was there backing that waste of lives n' money the whole way. For what? Now those people (who he says he is staying there to help) have demanded he set a a date to leave.........and Danzig, you're wrong about the Supreme Court. It's conservative now(as it was when the ended the 2000 election.) It was liberal leaning during ROE V. WADE. If you don't think the court can get heavily stacked, then just wait n' see what takes place if McCain gets elected. There are 2 Liberals that are aging. For sure 1 or both will retire or die soon. The senate can only get a slightly less radical extreme. They can't get rid of the extreme. Bush put his Conservatives on there. Throw another one on there, and then see what happens. Gunna tip, and tip hard. Al Quaeda tore down those 2 buildings when this a-s-s was in charge. His people ignored information before it took place. Al Quaeda killed 4 thousand Americans, and Bush got another 4 thousand Americans(and counting) killed. Still didn't get Bin Laden. Conservatives are correct on immigration. Most every other country gives value to it's people's citizenship. Not this one. We de-value American Citizenship every time we ignore illegal immigration. Even when his party was right on that issue, this a-hole dragged his feet on it(same as McCain is doing.)

lol...what he said

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Anytime somebody wants to fall back on "both parties s-u-c-k," and "there's very little difference between them." Those who say "it doesn't matter who you vote for." Look back to that 2000 election. You think it didn't matter who won that? Let me tell ya that 4 thousand Americans died because of the way that election went. Simple as that. No, Gore wouldn't of got 4 thousand Americans killed for whatever payoff that Bush thinks was worth them having to die for. Americans did not vote for it in majority(Gore got 500k more American votes.) State majorities is what got this a-s-s in, and got those 4 thousand people killed. They died because of the power of states rights.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Anytime somebody wants to fall back on "both parties s-u-c-k," and "there's very little difference between them." Those who say "it doesn't matter who you vote for." Look back to that 2000 election. You think it didn't matter who won that? Let me tell ya that 4 thousand Americans died because of the way that election went. Simple as that. No, Gore wouldn't of got 4 thousand Americans killed for whatever payoff that Bush thinks was worth them having to die for. Americans did not vote for it in majority(Gore got 500k more American votes.) State majorities is what got this a-s-s in, and got those 4 thousand people killed. They died because of the power of states rights.

I don't believe Gore's sorry he lost. He's making millions off global warming. The president's salary is nothing compared to that.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Scalia may be an idealogue but he is not a dumb butt.

Clarence Thomas is an absolute disgrace. He is apparently a nice man,
but he is just flat out inferior compared to anyone of the Supreme Court
justices.

You are blathering away about the wrong conservative justice.

I see many positives in both candidates this year.
This is a much more hopeful situation imo, even though
the country as a whole has suffered a large blow
in international prestige, and the economy has been stifled.

As an indepedent, this is a good year for me.
We have legitimate choices.

No, I picked the right one to talk about, because the smarter one can always do more harm than the copycat follower type.

Yes I agree 9/11 happened because of Bush. It only took 9 months to plan it. It wasn't like the previous administration had any idea who Osama was.

"Your party sucks more"! Rabble Rabble Rabble.

This country is doomed for failure with this retarded mentality. GO ahead and pick a side on the short bus.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yes I agree 9/11 happened because of Bush. It only took 9 months to plan it. It wasn't like the previous administration had any idea who Osama was.

"Your party sucks more"! Rabble Rabble Rabble.

This country is doomed for failure with this retarded mentality. GO ahead and pick a side on the short bus.

You're better than sound bites...

Originally Posted by GBBob

You're better than sound bites...

You know what's better than sound bites? Supporting the democratic or republican party and being stuck with the belief that there can only be two viable parties.

You know what's also better than sound bites? Spending billions on foreign aid AND BORROWING from China to fund it.

I'm rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.