Thank you God

[ArlJim78]

I like the contrast between the title of this thread and the content.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

There you go dodging, way to go!!!!! While you're figuring that out, figure out why you spend so much time trashing everything. Is life that bad? Is there nothing else going on, than to sit on this board and pick arguements with people?

Gee, Hoss ... all I did was congratulate Giacomo ... and comment that his race wasn't overly impressive.

How does that lead you to conclude that my life is bad?

Please don't be so downcast about me ... I have a wonderful life ... I couldn't possibly be happier ... in fact I'm happier than any human being really ought to be.

But thanks anyway for your concern.

[Independent George]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I said I was walking away,but you weren't happy about that.So,let it continue.It's ugly,but too bad.They have kicked this Derby winner around enough,and I ain't gunna sit back and take their crap one day longer.

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm glad you're so happy, it really comes across in your posts. And please don't twist my words, I asked if life was bad because you seem so negative.

But that's where you're drawing an incorrect conclusion ...

... when someone who has observed thoroughbred racing for 48 years watches a race and concludes that the winner wasn't impressive ... he's not "being negative" ... he's just putting his accumulated knowledge to work and drawing an intelligent conclusion.

Do you expect every experienced analyst to conclude that every horse who wins a race won it impressively?

You really don't expect that ... do you?

Originally Posted by Independent George

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You left out two A's.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What do you think? So your intelligent conclusion is that Giacomo wasn't impressive. Wow, I hope after my 48th year of observing racing that I'll be able to make such astounding conclusions. I just don't see the point of bashing everything. Read your posts, you bait people into arguements for no reason at all. Then when you get your wish you act like why are you argueing, I was just giving my opinion. Then you twist words, and NEVER let anything die. Is that fun?

All I'm hoping to do is help less experienced members of this forum to understand how to analyze thoroughbred races ... and how to organize their thoughts into cogent and well-written conclusions ... and how to justify those conclusions when they're challenged.

That's not such a bad thing ... is it?

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

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Glad you found your dictionary, Scuds. Maybe you can look up "adolescent", too.

You declared "thread done", and then get goaded into continuing with more silly stuff. Too bad.

--Dunbar

Won't you take me down to negativetown?
I guess some people just thrive on bashing horses. I realize it wasn't a grade one race but wasn't it just nice to see a horse who won the Derby and was being ridiculed win a race in such a game fashion?
Why can't people ever just celebrate a nice performance or story? Why does it always lead to "well he or she sure won't win next time or sure can't beat so and so"? Hes sure never been my favorite horse and I sure didn't like him to win on Saturday, but after he hit the line in front I told the person with me "I can't believe he just won of that layoff, I guess hes gamer than I gave him credit for". I think thats a pretty appropiate way to think.

[irishtrekker]

When Oracle tells people to be less critical, you better listen. In lieu of Buffy, I am going to admonish everone with her trademark: BE NICE!

Seriously, though, I completely agree with Mike. It's great to see Giacomo win. The horse takes so much crap, and I think we should all just be able to enjoy his win without any but's, if's, or however's.

Originally Posted by irishtrekker

It's great to see Giacomo win. The horse takes so much crap, and I think we should all just be able to enjoy his win without any but's, if's, or however's.

Can we say "perhaps" "maybe" and "nonetheless"?

[JJP]

He had an ideal pace set up. Preachinathebar did all the work and really deserved to win. The good news? Giacomo will be vastly overbet next time out.

Originally Posted by JJP

He had an ideal pace set up. Preachinathebar did all the work and really deserved to win. The good news? Giacomo will be vastly overbet next time out.

Perhaps ... maybe ...

... nonetheless ...

[pdrift1]

congrats to giacomo, so happy for him, he at least validated his derby win, and such a beautiful looking horse. i think alot of people had reason to question but this should end that.a grade 2 beautiful win

[pdrift1]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

For first off a long layoff and at a distance less than his best, I think Giacomo's race looked pretty good. I thought he might not get the pace he needed to run past the front runners, but 6f in 1:09 and change set it up perfectly for him. He should move forward off of this effort, be fitter for his next race. If somebody goes with Lava Man the way Surf Cat did last year, Giacomo could pull a Borrego in the Pacific Classic.

I, too, thought it was too bad that Papi Chullo was DQ'ed, because the horse that he bothered (Rathor) was backing up at the time and wouldn't have hit the board in any case. Another one of those overhyped NY allowance winners. (Ring any bells?) No question that PC DID bother him, I noticed it at the time, but still a pity he had to come down.

yeah and that borrego ,ann ,is going to be perfect drift!!!!!!!!!if there is a honest pace in this race against lava man, he gets beat

[Independent George]

I dont understand why a person can't state a differing opinion on a horse's performance and not get attacked for it.This is a Forum of Opinions...is it not?? Having read his analysis of the race, I don't think he was being unfairly negative. Let's face it, Giacamo didn't go off at box-car odds in the Derby because his pp's were so outstanding.He ran the race of his life and hasn't been a world-beater since.He is not the kind of horse that inspires superlatives. It was a nice race; he won,,,good. But the original poster was more interested in using his victory as some kind of catharsis and reason to berate anyone who didn't think Giacamo was the Second Coming. You start a post that way, about a horse that has had more failures than victories and you set yourself up for others to offer you a reality check.

Originally Posted by Independent George

I dont understand why a person can't state a differing opinion on a horse's performance and not get attacked for it.This is a Forum of Opinions...is it not?? Having read his analysis of the race, I don't think he was being unfairly negative. Let's face it, Giacamo didn't go off at box-car odds in the Derby because his pp's were so outstanding.He ran the race of his life and hasn't been a world-beater since.He is not the kind of horse that inspires superlatives. It was a nice race; he won,,,good. But the original poster was more interested in using his victory as some kind of catharsis and reason to berate anyone who didn't think Giacamo was the Second Coming. You start a post that way, about a horse that has had more failures than victories and you set yourself up for others to offer you a reality check.

Here's the way it works, George ...

... any horse they like who wins a race ... no matter when and where the race is run ... must be called "impressive" ... and anyone who says the horse may not have been "impressive" ... is a loser ... a fool ... an idiot ... unless ...

... unless it's a horse they don't like ... then you can't say the horse was "impressive" ... because then you're ... guess what? ... right, you guessed it ... a loser ... a fool ... and an idiot.

You can't win, my friend ... somtimes you just can't win.

Originally Posted by Independent George

I dont understand why a person can't state a differing opinion on a horse's performance and not get attacked for it.This is a Forum of Opinions...is it not?? Having read his analysis of the race, I don't think he was being unfairly negative. Let's face it, Giacamo didn't go off at box-car odds in the Derby because his pp's were so outstanding.He ran the race of his life and hasn't been a world-beater since.He is not the kind of horse that inspires superlatives. It was a nice race; he won,,,good. But the original poster was more interested in using his victory as some kind of catharsis and reason to berate anyone who didn't think Giacamo was the Second Coming. You start a post that way, about a horse that has had more failures than victories and you set yourself up for others to offer you a reality check.

People all have different personalities. That is life.

[Independent George]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

This is exactly what I was trying to say Oracle. I could care less about Giacomo, but as a fan of racing I was glad to see him win. But the thing is, you can't win with some people on here. If Giacomo runs off the board, Mr. Negative posts something along the lines of how Giacomo is exposed as the fluke that he is. But, when he wins, it's oh he'll never win again. I just don't understand the reasoning there. Basically, certain people are miserable, and can't stand anything but misery. By the way, congrats on Wonder. I took what you said about how she was working, and caught a nice pic 3. Way to go, and I wish you continued success. Oh wait, I shouldn't be happy about that should I?

I would have been glad to see Preachinatthebar win. I had a bet on him. Does that make me NOT a fan of racing since I was rooting my heart out for Giacamo to get beat ?

[GPK]

People beat up Giacomo about his Derby win for 1 reason, THEY DIDN'T WIN with him on Derby Day. I am not redboarding because I posted on the ESPN website before the Derby that I liked Giacomo in the race and I also spoke with a couple posters in private conversation that I loved him. I studied the PP's for the race and concluded that with all the early speed (Bellamy Road, Spanish Chestnut, etc...)in the race, that the leaders would fall apart coming down the stretch and a deep closer would win the race. The last time I checked, that was called HANDICAPPING. It just seems to me that those that handicapped the Derby incorrectly feel justified in calling him a "fluke" or other names of sort.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by GPK

People beat up Giacomo about his Derby win for 1 reason, THEY DIDN'T WIN with him on Derby Day. I am not redboarding because I posted on the ESPN website before the Derby that I liked Giacomo in the race and I also spoke with a couple posters in private conversation that I loved him. I studied the PP's for the race and concluded that with all the early speed (Bellamy Road, Spanish Chestnut, etc...)in the race, that the leaders would fall apart coming down the stretch and a deep closer would win the race. The last time I checked, that was called HANDICAPPING. It just seems to me that those that handicapped the Derby incorrectly feel justified in calling him a "fluke" or other names of sort.

100% incorrect, I didn't have Monarchos or War Emblem, but those were two good horses and you'll never hear me rip them, I can live with them winning, without cashing, because they won other G1's, Giacomo has not. I can't comment on the race on Saturday, because I did not see it, but the Derby was a complete fluke and beyond that he's only won a maiden, that's a terrible representative for a Derby winner. I hope he goes on and wins something else, because at least people would not have a reason to rip on him. I feel that the Derby was a joke last year, because a lucky horse won, sure there's been other horses that have received lucky trips and won, but at least they were something other than a maiden winner. That's why I hope he keeps winning, so he can at least justify that Derby...