6/28 (HOL): Gold Cup Day (4 stakes)

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

I WAS WAY OFF ABOUT PERFECT DRIFT AND TIAGO, AND TRUST ME I PAYED FOR IT IN THE WALLET

I lost $200 WP on PD. But I had $55 WP on Whatsthrscript at 29-1 so I still had a good day.

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What I don't understand is why the rider of Mcann's Mohave put a full nelson on him early.

since I bet him I am wondering the same thing, he should have been right on that horses flank

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I lost $200 WP on PD. But I had $55 WP on Whatsthrscript at 29-1 so I still had a good day.

i bet 50 box 2-4 which was prift and tiago and 50 straight 4-2.. $5 tri wheel 2,4/2,4/all... so i was WAY OFF ON THE RACE

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I lost $200 WP on PD. But I had $55 WP on Whatsthrscript at 29-1 so I still had a good day.

how the hell did you come up with whatsthescript ?
i played the pick 3, i started it with the filly 2 yr old stakes race, i bet the 3 choices, i cought the maiden at 3-1... i went 4 deep, and left daytona off, i was way against him today and still could not come up with whatsthescript, and it sucked cause then i would have cought the next race... with the 5-2 favorite, i think it was the 7

[King Glorious]

I wonder if Tiago's people get the hint YET??? This horse doesn't run well on the junk. I thought the Suburban was a much better spot for him.

[jcs11204]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I wonder if Tiago's people get the hint YET??? This horse doesn't run well on the junk. I thought the Suburban was a much better spot for him.

i said that for days, and i still bet him like a fool... but ppl around here seem to think shipping him is out of the question

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mike

Dearest Trickski and Mast Track, here's hoping speed holds

very nice. VERY nice.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I wonder if Tiago's people get the hint YET??? This horse doesn't run well on the junk. I thought the Suburban was a much better spot for him.

Yeah, the Swaps and Goodwood were horrendous efforts.

How close has he ever come to winning a race further than 9f? 4 lengths or so?

He's a wannabe Gulch.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Yeah, the Swaps and Goodwood were horrendous efforts.

How close has he ever come to winning a race further than 9f? 4 lengths or so?

He's a wannabe Gulch.

I thought the Goodwood was on regular dirt. As for the Swaps, beating a couple of billy goats does not make for a great effort, IMO.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I thought the Goodwood was on regular dirt.

Just to clarify, then, you were wrong.

And yet winning the SA Derby over King of the Roxy and Sam P. makes him a good dirt horse? Isn't it just as likely that Heatseeker (by synthetic sire extraordinaire Giant's Causeway) regressed in the Oaklawn Handicap, thus getting nipped by this 2nd rate horse that he normally has 3 or 4 lengths on?

Or did he have valid excuses in the Kentucky Derby, Belmont, and BC Classic, his other important dirt races?

[Bobby Fischer]

good run by Magnificience considering the track.


Had a feeling the speed would win again in the Gold Cup regardless of the talent levels of the different horses.

It's kind of weird. You see a horse like Mast Track kind of suit the track bias and win that race out on the speed, and you try to legitimize the horse and say things to yourself like; "I wonder if he could get into a good thing like that over those fast TURF courses on the west coast?" "maybe he could be like daytona and win some of those on the turf being the speed" ...
And then you realize he just won the Hollywood Gold Cup 10 furlongs 750k ... basically THE classic of the summer...

That synthetic race WAS as good as it gets. That WAS the big one.
He did it, no need to legitimize

and it just feels kind of weird again.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Just to clarify, then, you were wrong.

And yet winning the SA Derby over King of the Roxy and Sam P. makes him a good dirt horse? Isn't it just as likely that Heatseeker (by synthetic sire extraordinaire Giant's Causeway) regressed in the Oaklawn Handicap, thus getting nipped by this 2nd rate horse that he normally has 3 or 4 lengths on?

Or did he have valid excuses in the Kentucky Derby, Belmont, and BC Classic, his other important dirt races?

Well he did have valid excuses. He was facing Curlin, Rags to Riches, Street Sense, and Hard Spun.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Just to clarify, then, you were wrong.

And yet winning the SA Derby over King of the Roxy and Sam P. makes him a good dirt horse? Isn't it just as likely that Heatseeker (by synthetic sire extraordinaire Giant's Causeway) regressed in the Oaklawn Handicap, thus getting nipped by this 2nd rate horse that he normally has 3 or 4 lengths on?

Or did he have valid excuses in the Kentucky Derby, Belmont, and BC Classic, his other important dirt races?

Believe me, there is no way in the world that I would ever try to make an argument for Tiago being a good horse. I don't think he is. But I do, however, believe that he's shown himself to be much better on real dirt than on synthetics.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Believe me, there is no way in the world that I would ever try to make an argument for Tiago being a good horse. I don't think he is. But I do, however, believe that he's shown himself to be much better on real dirt than on synthetics.

I don't know that its that cut and dry, though I admit I haven't poured over his PPs lately, so maybe I'm missing something found inbetween the lines. Seems 2nd rate on both and definitely seems to lose any sort of stretch punch further than 9f. If I give him credit for anything, its that he can handle either surface with equal mediocrity (his sire could run on anything--but could also see out 10f).

Eventually that lugging in towards the rail habit is going to catch up with him soon, too.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jcs11204

how the hell did you come up with whatsthescript ?
i played the pick 3, i started it with the filly 2 yr old stakes race, i bet the 3 choices, i cought the maiden at 3-1... i went 4 deep, and left daytona off, i was way against him today and still could not come up with whatsthescript, and it sucked cause then i would have cought the next race... with the 5-2 favorite, i think it was the 7

He was the best 2 year old and 3 year old grass horse that we had out here. He was undeafeated out here on the grass. Then they shipped him back east to Churchill and he ran a good troubled 2nd in a stakes race out there. They gave him some time off and he ran one bad race in December That bad race in Decemeber was his first grass defeat on the west coast. Then he got some more time off and he was moved into John Sadler's barn. This was his frist race for Sadler.

If I figured that if he ran his best, he could probably beat everyone in the race with the possible exception of Daytona. So I bet whatsthesript to Win and Place and I made a saver exacta with Daytona on top and Whatsthescript 2nd.

I would have bet even a little more on Whatsthescript to win and place but I didn't have a ton of cash in my accounts that pay full track odds.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I wonder if Tiago's people get the hint YET??? This horse doesn't run well on the junk. I thought the Suburban was a much better spot for him.

He would have needed a pacemaker in there, too. No closer is going to look good when the front-runner goes in 47 or 48 and change and the race becomes a sprint to the wire in which the leader(s) has a 5 length head start.

In the Coronation Cup this year, Soldier of Fortune had, in effect, TWO pacemakers - Song of Hiawatha set the pace from the start, with Macarthur a couple lengths behind him, even further clear of the rest. As Song of Hiawatha fell back to last, Macarthur kept up the gallop until the last furlong, when Soldier of Fortune and Youmzain collared him late. Macarthur is a quality 12f horse, having won the G3 Ormonde S before and the Hardwicke S (G2) after his Coronation Cup 3rd.

Why American owners and trainers don't use pacemakers much anymore is a mystery to me. It's bad enough that there are so few 10f races in play (why both on the SAME DAY?!?!?!), but to have them turned into slow-paced falsely-run contests is disspiriting. ANd why some of those jocks let is happen is another mystery.

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

What I don't understand is why the rider of Mcann's Mohave put a full nelson on him early.

I felt the same way about the pull on Daytona. Horse fighting jockey all down the backstretch. No wonder he backed out of it. Notice to jocks: IT DOESN'T WORK. If the horse wants to run and won't listen to you, let it go. Shoemaker knew that - dedicated deep-closer Cougar II (My Own True Love) got rank in a 10f turf stakes at Santa Anita and the Shoe let him run. Was 3 lengths in front first time under the wire and 6 in front the second time.

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The track plays relatively fair compared to other synthetic surfaces. If the pace is quick then its likely the speed has little shot, if its slow you better be pretty good to rally from way back. Its not like dirt but if all syn tracks were like yesterday I would not have an issue with the surfaces. Its not like dirt for speed but its not unfair either, which typically it is at Del Mar and Kee, and for the second part of Santa Anita.

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

I felt the same way about the pull on Daytona. Horse fighting jockey all down the backstretch. No wonder he backed out of it. Notice to jocks: IT DOESN'T WORK. If the horse wants to run and won't listen to you, let it go. Shoemaker knew that - dedicated deep-closer Cougar II (My Own True Love) got rank in a 10f turf stakes at Santa Anita and the Shoe let him run. Was 3 lengths in front first time under the wire and 6 in front the second time.

same thing solis was doing to him to start his american career.