Scat Daddy retired

[Bobby Fischer]

5 K

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Riot

Now let's speculate upon where Scat Daddy will ultimately stand, and what his stud fee will be.

"The horse was scheduled to leave by van on Tuesday for Ashford Stud in Lexington, Ky., where he will most likely stand stud next year. No stud plans had been finalized as of Monday."

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by abe1947

So, you think an owner should run their horse until it breaks completely down? The horse is theirs to make money with. Would you continue running a horse that you could make millions on in the shed, just so the public could see him run. As soon as he lost a couple races his value and public appeal would drop, and those of you who what to see him run now would never bet on him again.

MILLIONS? Please tell me why this horse is going to be successful at stud? Why do we need another mediocre stallion out there? This business is becoming a farce. With all of the stallions they have over there at Ashford who is going to show up at their door and say I want to breed my mare to the slow one who beat nobody? His resume is he beat a head case, NOBIZ, and CHELOKEE, who in my opinion had a pretty good shot of winning the race (FLA Derby) with a better trip. I'd rather breed to THE GREEN MONKEY than SCAT DADDY. This is pathetic!

[sumitas]

just what racing needs, another Mr Prospector , Northern Dancer cross at stud. he was pushed hard and soon and i wish him the best in his 2nd career.

Thoroughbred Horse Pedigree Database


SCAT DADDY (USA) dkb/br. C, 2004 DP = 10-3-11-2-0 (26) DI = 2.47 CD = 0.81 - 9 Starts, 5 Wins, 1 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $1,334,300

Owner: James T. Scatuorchio & Michael Tabor
Breeder: Axel Wend
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 9 Starts: 5 - 1 - 1, $1,334,300

At 2:
Won Champagne S. (G1,8F), Sanford S.(G2,6F)
2nd Hopeful S. (G1,7F)

At 3:
Won Florida Derby (G1,9F), Fountain of Youth S. (G2,9F)
3rd Holy Bull S. (G3,8F)

Looks like a good one to breed to, to me. If you want speed and a early return on your money. I'd say it'll take $20K to get into the shed with this one.

[Cajungator26]

I'll go out on a limb here and say $12,500.

How about tree fiddy?

[Storm Cadet]

Originally Posted by Riot

Now let's speculate upon where Scat Daddy will ultimately stand, and what his stud fee will be.

This is his level...a Blue Light Special!

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

MILLIONS? Please tell me why this horse is going to be successful at stud? Why do we need another mediocre stallion out there? This business is becoming a farce. With all of the stallions they have over there at Ashford who is going to show up at their door and say I want to breed my mare to the slow one who beat nobody? His resume is he beat a head case, NOBIZ, and CHELOKEE, who in my opinion had a pretty good shot of winning the race (FLA Derby) with a better trip. I'd rather breed to THE GREEN MONKEY than SCAT DADDY. This is pathetic!

I'd rather breed to Kiera Knightley, but whatever floats your boat.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by abe1947

This is a business. You want to make money. Why run him if he is worth more in the shed and running him will not, as several on here have stated, make him worth more there. Those of us who love the sport, need to think more of the horse's well being, rather than our own pleasure. A good $5000 claiming race can be just exciting to watch as a $million GI, and you can usually make more $ betting on them.

Owning horses is not a business. You may treat it as a business, you may think it is a business, but it is not a business.
And by your way of thinking most horses should be retired if they win 1st time out because running them again may decrease their value.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ELA

Chuck, I see your point, however, the downside with more than one loss is far greater than the upside of a win (which should almost be expected depending on the spot). Much of what will sell a horse like this at stud is the "hype" or the "what could have been" kind of thing.

Yes, it is sad -- very sad. I agree. However, he loses a couple of races, the reality of the situation is no longer hidden -- as it might be now to some people. Don't forget -- it's not you and me sending mares to this stud.

Eric

Eric
I disagree that his value is predicated on "hype" or "buzz". He won Grade 1 2 year old stakes and a Grade 1 Derby prep. He is by a "hot" stallion. His value is secure regardless of how many races he lost. He will probably stand for somewhere between $30-$40k. If he were to win the Travers and/or Haskell or a race like that, he would have been worth a lot more. Personally I never thought he was great but he did accomplish more than most stallions that will enter stud next year.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

5 K

You are kidding right?

[Sightseek]

Also in Pletcher stable news (I wasn't about to start a thread on the Suburban, because frankly it sucks) but Harlington is out as well. No retirement - yet.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Owning horses is not a business. You may treat it as a business, you may think it is a business, but it is not a business.
And by your way of thinking most horses should be retired if they win 1st time out because running them again may decrease their value.

Maggi Moss would disagree with you. A bunch of other people too.

[Zaf]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

5 K

I would love to claim horses from you.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Maggi Moss would disagree with you. A bunch of other people too.

Why? You think she is making money?

[Cannon Shell]

There is no way that he stands for less than $25k. If the yearling markets is solid and the Sheikh Mo boycott doesn't spread, he may go as high as $40k.

[Cannon Shell]

To be a business you must produce a good or service. Owning horses does neither. You want to call it an investment? Fine. But a business? Try telling the IRS that it is a business. Hell, they dont even want to label owning horses as an investment.

[Zaf]

with Maggie Moss on the Roger Stein show Sunday , a great listen:

http://www.rogerstein.com/radio/archive2.asp

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Eric
I disagree that his value is predicated on "hype" or "buzz". He won Grade 1 2 year old stakes and a Grade 1 Derby prep. He is by a "hot" stallion. His value is secure regardless of how many races he lost. He will probably stand for somewhere between $30-$40k. If he were to win the Travers and/or Haskell or a race like that, he would have been worth a lot more. Personally I never thought he was great but he did accomplish more than most stallions that will enter stud next year.

Chuck, don't get me wrong -- the colt isn't a nobody. However, I just don't think he was that good of a colt. The talk about him being at or very near the head of the class, early on, seemed to be a bit of overhype to me. G1's without question cannot be dismissed.

Winning the Travers, to me is a huge "if" and although it may be rhetorical, I think it was more probable that he didn't win than possible he did. I think his value is maxed out right now, unless he went on to win something else of substance, and in order to maintain that value, he certainly can't afford to get beat where he would be a strong favorite. Winning a race like that doesn't add to value, but losing one can diminish value.

The hype I refer to is merely the fact that I think they have to build him up to command and fill a book at the $40k price range -- and personally, I think that's too high. I am not a pedigree expert or bloodstock agent, but I think $30k might be more like it -- speaking from a market perspective -- and I am not sure he fills a book at that level (legitimately I mean, LOL). At $30k, or $40k, personally, I want to breed to one hell of a horse (with everything else considered) -- and to me, he's just not "that" kind of horse.

I see your points and I think he'll be a nice their stallion somewhere, relatively speaking get some nice mares, etc. I just feel that value is maxed now -- more downside than up. I guess we'll never know, LOL.

Eric