GS Sat not as good as thought??

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Gander

He can always use the post position as an excuse.

Speaking of that, anybody really think the post position did SNS in on Sat?
I sure dont. Looked like a perfect trip to me and I thought for sure he was a winner on the far turn.

he got a perfect trip--no excuses. unless you use the honest excuse that he just wasn't good enough.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i must be honest.... i feel invasor is very overated... there are 100 reassons why...first he beat no one at pimlico and then he beat no one at belmont ... then he wins the whitney and barley and i mean barley beats sun king... then he lays off and beats bernardini, now for ppl who knock bernardini and say he faced no one, i feel invasor faced less and in the breeders up bernardini was not himself hes under a ride, looks to be going backwards then finally kicks in and invasor bye no means crushed him in that spot.. im not saying hes not a good horse and i know this will now get alot of ppl posting that im crazy but thats just how i feel.

invasor won all but one race in his career. he's faced the best this country had to offer. as for 'laying up' and then beating bernardini, his long layoff caused concern for many--there's fresh, and there's rusty. bernardini certainly didn't have an overly tough schedule. as for the classic, bernardini ran a race like all his others--same timewise and figurewise. problem was this time another horse was faster than he had been all year. way overrated? by whom? i think bernardini was overrated by those who thought he was seattle slew reborn. but no one went nuts all year about invasor--he only got any press after the classic!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

It pains me to say it, but I just read in the DRF that EC connections are looking at a race at FG as a prep for Dubai.

There's a $600K or $400K race, used to be the Explosive Bid and now it something like the Muniz Memorial maybe, which makes obvious sense.


Anyone can repeat stuff from DRF and act like they are " in the know ".

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah I know the race you are talking about but I think they run that right around the same time as the Dubai race. I think it's another race. And of course he read it. But stop trying to intimidate people, bully.

I thought that race was early March but you may well be right.

[blackthroatedwind]

So Premium Tap is apparently passing the Donn in favor of the 1 1/2 mile King's Cup in Saudi Arabia in mid February.

Well, Dynever used that 25 horse spectacle for a prep for his second place finish in the World Cup two years ago but it seems an odd race for a horse with the natural speed of Premium Tap.

[blackthroatedwind]

And the race at FG for English Channel is February 10th and a Grade 3.

[JJP]

So now English Channel will be running against a couple of Illinois breds (Fort Prado and Mystery Giver). Nobody can accuse Todd of being overly ambitious here.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by JJP

So now English Channel will be running against a couple of Illinois breds (Fort Prado and Mystery Giver). Nobody can accuse Todd of being overly ambitious here.

Maybe they actually feel they need another week or maybe they don't want to risk losing to the horse they feel they should have won the Eclipse over. You would think it's a freeroll for English Channel, as theoretically he's supposed to lose, but apparently they are passing. It just seems so much easier to stay home...especially for a prep race in erly February.

I thought BTW had a great idea about having two finish lines for route races as they do at Keeneland to give those with outside posts a fairer shot, instead of the quick run to the turn at 1 1/8 races. With all the wait and scratch if you draw an outside post mentality, why hasn't this idea been discussed/tried ? Now that SNS drew the 12 spot and went down, how many other trainers will go elsewhere instead of the chance of drawing an outside post at GP ? BTW, have you gotten any traction from your idea ?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by point given

I thought BTW had a great idea about having two finish lines for route races as they do at Keeneland to give those with outside posts a fairer shot, instead of the quick run to the turn at 1 1/8 races. With all the wait and scratch if you draw an outside post mentality, why hasn't this idea been discussed/tried ? Now that SNS drew the 12 spot and went down, how many other trainers will go elsewhere instead of the chance of drawing an outside post at GP ? BTW, have you gotten any traction from your idea ?

Nobody listens to me.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nobody listens to me.

yeah, i know, not even at Siro's

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by point given

yeah, i know, not even at Siro's

Especially there.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by POINTGIVEN1985

i gave a number of reassons already........ and discreet cat was alot better bernardini was all year barbaro was also theres 3, o and showing up probelly could beat invasor ON DIRT

Well apparently you said 100 reasons.....I want just 10 of them.

Funny....Bernardini was the next superhorse(still was a very nice horse) and Invasor took him kinda easily....Discreet Cat looks to be a monster who beat up on basicallly ok fields...but did it with such ease...not sure DC could take invasor going long

There is ZERO proof that Barbaro could have beaten Invasor...would have been some horserace if they ever met....but to say that one of them was better than the other is tough...especially after Invasor drowned everyone he met...

Showing up??????? on the dirt??????Going long ?????

Please ....you are embarassing yourself.....

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by point given

I thought BTW had a great idea about having two finish lines for route races as they do at Keeneland to give those with outside posts a fairer shot, instead of the quick run to the turn at 1 1/8 races. With all the wait and scratch if you draw an outside post mentality, why hasn't this idea been discussed/tried ? Now that SNS drew the 12 spot and went down, how many other trainers will go elsewhere instead of the chance of drawing an outside post at GP ? BTW, have you gotten any traction from your idea ?

I don't know how seriously this was discussed, but it is an impossibility because of Gulfstream's already short stretch. Gulfstream's full stretch is 898 feet. If you start and finish 9 furlong races at the 1/16th pole, you'd have a stretch measuring a whopping 568 feet, that's even shorter than 5/8 mile tracks like Fairplex and Los Al.

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I don't know how seriously this was discussed, but it is an impossibility because of Gulfstream's already short stretch. Gulfstream's full stretch is 898 feet. If you start and finish 9 furlong races at the 1/16th pole, you'd have a stretch measuring a whopping 568 feet, that's even shorter than 5/8 mile tracks like Fairplex and Los Al.

NT

You're probably right but I would be curious to know the stretch distance at Keeneland when they use the first finish line there?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're probably right but I would be curious to know the stretch distance at Keeneland when they use the first finish line there?

According to DRF Track Information the Keeneland stretch is 1,174 feet. That would mean the 1 1/16 mile races with the shortened stretch go 844 feet.

Oaklawn also uses the 1/16th pole start for one mile races and their shortened stretch goes 825 feet, 1,155 normally.

NT

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

According to DRF Track Information the Keeneland stretch is 1,174 feet. That would mean the 1 1/16 mile races with the shortened stretch go 844 feet.

Oaklawn also uses the 1/16th pole start for one mile races and their shortened stretch goes 825 feet, 1,155 normally.

NT

Thanks. I hadn't realized Gulfstream had such a short stretch. Probably had to make room for a Starbucks or two.

The horses skipping this race or that race in order for an easier spot is because there are too many graded races. We have talked about this before but it is just the way things are. So many connections use graded races as a prep race for another graded race.

No matter who shows up to take on Invasor, they were not going to win unless something out of the ordinary happened in the race.

[JJP]

Can somebody refresh my memory: why did Magna reconstruct the configuration of Gulfstream? When one thinks of GP, one thinks of the 3YO preps leading up to, and obviously including, the Florida Derby, which is at 1 1/8 miles. I wonder if they would consider going to 1 3/16 miles just to make things more fair.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by JJP

Can somebody refresh my memory: why did Magna reconstruct the configuration of Gulfstream? When one thinks of GP, one thinks of the 3YO preps leading up to, and obviously including, the Florida Derby, which is at 1 1/8 miles. I wonder if they would consider going to 1 3/16 miles just to make things more fair.

I believe the main track circumfrence is related to his desire to make a wider turf course. While I applaud the better turf course, the old one was far from terrific, the 1 1/8 new track is problematic. On the one hand, the new mile chute enabling one turn miles is very good, but the problems associated with the short run to the first turn for 1 1/8 races has diminished the track.

I guess you can't have everything.