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My point is that your supposed point was irrelevent to the rest of your post and merely a reflection on you. Are you as brave in criticizing people to their faces as you are on the internet? |
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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This means nothing to u I'm sure but back in 1989 when Lukas had Houston and Open Mind, I ran into him in the paddock area at Santa Anita. He sat and talked with my friend and I for a few minutes. He told us that Houston would be coming west to run in the Santa Anita Derby and then they would point to the Kentucky Derby. I told Wayne that they were looking at the Derby with the wrong horse. I told him to his face that I thought Open Mind was the better horse and that he was making a mistake. Was that stupid of me to question a hall of fame trainer to his face about his own horses? Maybe it was, especially considering that I was 18 years old and had been following the sport all of 3 1/2 years. Did it stop me? Nope. This game is all about opinions. We all have them and we back them with our predictions and because we back them with our wagers, it gives each of us the right to have an opinion. I think Watchmaker is an idiot. U think I am one. Doesn't bother me one bit. I'll be the first to tell u that I'm an idiot for even playing this sport, as Jeff Mullins has said. At least I admit that I am one though. Would Watchmaker?
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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![]() The original question was about "the best we have". I'd put Second of June above several that were listed. IMO he's much better right now than FA, Good Reward, Park Ave Ball.
--Dunbar
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Curlin and Hard Spun finish 1,2 in the 2007 BC Classic, demonstrating how competing in all three Triple Crown races ruins a horse for the rest of the year...see avatar photo from REUTERS/Lucas Jackson |
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I'm just saying that when u consider it was just two years ago when we had Ghostzapper, Roses in May, Perfect Drift, Pleasantly Perfect, Medaglia d'Oro, Peace Rules, Saint Liam, and Southern Image.......and just last year when we had Lava Man, Rock Hard Ten, Saint Liam, Borrego, Perfect Drift, Commentator, even Ghostzapper for one race........u see that this year the depth of talent is severly lacking. It's not so much to say that the horses on the list are BAD horses but I think the only reason that some of them are even able to make it is because the upper level talents of the game are taken away earlier and earlier and we are being left with less and less every year.
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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I think its pretty obvious that yeah, this is the best we have. Watchmaker can't invent make believe horses to put on a list. He has to work with whats out there. And anyone who hasn't realized by now that with the gruel of the tri crown, combined with the financial reasons to retire has coupled to form a weaker older divsion each year, well I can't help you. This is how it is. Nothing beyond a radical shift in purse money or breeding fees is gonna change this. End of story. |
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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![]() No rational guy with any brains is gonna turn down a breeding offer in the 10's of millions to race for a best case scenario in which he weighs losing a lot of money vs losing only a little money. |
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![]() I guess this is my problem with this. Remember back when baseball went on strike and they used replacement players? Well, even though they were giving us a lesser product, ticket prices remained the same. There was still a home run leader, an rbi leader.....everything stayed the same except the product was of lesser talent. Kind of the same thing with racing. There will still be a Derby winner, a Met Mile winner, a BC Classic winner every year. But it seems like more and more, the quality of the overall product is decreasing. And because so many people just sit and say "we should be lucky that we have a Bernardini this year" and are content with the continuous garbage that they are feeding us, there is no incentive for them to ever change anything. It won't be until we start demanding a better product that things will start to change. Why does everyone seem so content with the way things are and just resigned to accept that this is all we are going to get?
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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![]() If the point of the thread was to point out the lack of depth in the older horse division, I get it. I don't see how that lack of depth makes Watchmaker an idiot. There's no reason to involve him in the discussion. I often disagree with his choices and their order on the lists but hey, it's one man's opinion.
As for Sun King, he's coming off a close second and a decent third (against the bias) in G1 route races. BTW, I don't know Mike W and he doesn't know me, so I have no dog in this fight. |
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Run to who....Bobby? Do you mean Bobby Brady? Bobby Brown? Bobby who? You may be the most ridiculous wanabee in the history of the internet. You add less to a room than a fart. Between your silly abbreviations and unrecognizable first name references, as though you are some sort of industry insider, you have created perhaps the most laughable persona in internet history. You were banned from the horseracingtalk message board.....chew on that one for a while. |
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we have all kinds of niches in racing. doesn't mean a horse is somehow lesser if he's a speed demon. he's not loaded with stamina, doesn't mean he's not loaded with talent. |
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![]() The H E L L with watchmaker he used to bad mouth lost in the fog the guy is a D A M N jinx hope he feels real good about all the bad things he said about that gutsy horse RIP
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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Sorry to sound so pessimistic but horseracing is really becoming a soulless "sport" |
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