Derby Trail Forums

Go Back   Derby Trail Forums > The Steve Dellinger Discourse Den
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 08-16-2011, 11:01 AM
kp319 kp319 is offline
Morris Park
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 131
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GBBob View Post
If he's running against Perry or Bachman, he sure will. Still think Romney is his only realy threat.
Romney.... Mormon and what has he accomplished in Mass? Bachman.. no way and Perry won't fly in the states that count.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 08-16-2011, 11:49 AM
dellinger63's Avatar
dellinger63 dellinger63 is offline
Keeneland
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: U.S.A.
Posts: 10,072
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kp319 View Post
Romney.... Mormon and what has he accomplished in Mass? .
So America will elect an African American but not a Mormon?

You do realize he's experienced success in the private sector as have a bunch of other Mormons.

Something the current President is missing and it shows!
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 08-16-2011, 11:58 AM
my miss storm cat's Avatar
my miss storm cat my miss storm cat is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 22,025
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb View Post
Maybe Axelrod will have them dig up bin Laden and shoot him again.
I usually lurk here and go bang my head against the wall or scream or soemthing and keep my mouth shut.

Great line!

I really do wanna stay out of this but gotta say it once...

No way can Obama win again no matter what.

I think it'll end up being a Perry / Bachmann ticket and that they'll slaughter him.

Okay gonna tiptoe away now and let the big people continue fighting...
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 08-16-2011, 12:38 PM
joeydb's Avatar
joeydb joeydb is offline
Santa Anita
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Southeastern PA
Posts: 3,044
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by my miss storm cat View Post
I usually lurk here and go bang my head against the wall or scream or soemthing and keep my mouth shut.

Great line!

I really do wanna stay out of this but gotta say it once...

No way can Obama win again no matter what.

I think it'll end up being a Perry / Bachmann ticket and that they'll slaughter him.

Okay gonna tiptoe away now and let the big people continue fighting...

Come on in - the water is fine!

Hey, I try to have fun here too, even though more often than not it gets heated, but this is a horse racing board and the politics are mostly for diversion and to sharpen debate skills.

I don't think it would be Perry. Too scary even for me as a lifetime Republican to have another Texas governor with similar inflection on his voice.

I think Romney/Bachmann or Bachmann/Paul at this point, but anything can happen, and it most certainly will be interesting.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 08-16-2011, 12:39 PM
ateamstupid's Avatar
ateamstupid ateamstupid is offline
Super Mod.. and Super Fly
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 13,036
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dellinger63 View Post
So America will elect an African American but not a Mormon?

You do realize he's experienced success in the private sector as have a bunch of other Mormons.

Something the current President is missing and it shows!
He also fired thousands of people and closed factories everywhere he went, so yeah, have fun voting for President Gekko. I'm sure he gives two sh its about creating jobs.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 08-16-2011, 12:43 PM
my miss storm cat's Avatar
my miss storm cat my miss storm cat is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 22,025
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb View Post
Come on in - the water is fine!

Hey, I try to have fun here too, even though more often than not it gets heated, but this is a horse racing board and the politics are mostly for diversion and to sharpen debate skills.

I don't think it would be Perry. Too scary even for me as a lifetime Republican to have another Texas governor with similar inflection on his voice.

I think Romney/Bachmann or Bachmann/Paul at this point, but anything can happen, and it most certainly will be interesting.
I think Paul turned off a lot of people during the debate (Iran) but alas... I need to go see which horsies went swimming in Hong Kong and important stuff like that but I shall be lurking around down here, albeit quietly.

Carry on.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 08-16-2011, 12:43 PM
joeydb's Avatar
joeydb joeydb is offline
Santa Anita
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Southeastern PA
Posts: 3,044
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid View Post
He also fired thousands of people and closed factories everywhere he went, so yeah, have fun voting for President Gekko. I'm sure he gives two sh its about creating jobs.
Yeah, you're right. He should have kept the factories open at a loss, retained all the jobs and just went out of business.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 08-16-2011, 12:45 PM
ateamstupid's Avatar
ateamstupid ateamstupid is offline
Super Mod.. and Super Fly
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 13,036
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb View Post
Yeah, you're right. He should have kept the factories open at a loss, retained all the jobs and just went out of business.
I know this is hard for the corporate stooge party to understand, but the responsibilities of CEO and President of the United States aren't the same. Often (like now) they're diametrically opposed.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 08-16-2011, 12:49 PM
jms62's Avatar
jms62 jms62 is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 19,802
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb View Post
Yeah, you're right. He should have kept the factories open at a loss, retained all the jobs and just went out of business.
Yes the downsizing and outsource metality is kicking ass as a business strategy. Fire all your customers customers and scratch your ass wondering why no one is left to buy anything and your house is worth 1/2 of what it was 4 years ago. Then wonder why your stock portfolio is getting pounded. The solution cut more jobs. Can you say Death Sprial thats where we are and it seems fine by you 1980's republicans. Let me ask a question. Are you retired or Semi retired?
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 08-16-2011, 12:50 PM
joeydb's Avatar
joeydb joeydb is offline
Santa Anita
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Southeastern PA
Posts: 3,044
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid View Post
I know this is hard for the corporate stooge party to understand, but the responsibilities of CEO and President of the United States aren't the same. Often (like now) they're diametrically opposed.
OK, just so I'm reading you right, you don't dispute that as a CEO he likely acted properly and within his powers to protect the company...from eventual bankruptcy?

I would suspect that, having different responsibilites and powers, he would be different as president as well. The difference is, Romney actually understands how the economy works. This is better than knowing how you wish the economy worked.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 08-16-2011, 12:53 PM
joeydb's Avatar
joeydb joeydb is offline
Santa Anita
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Southeastern PA
Posts: 3,044
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jms62 View Post
Yes the downsizing and outsource metality is kicking ass as a business strategy. Fire all your customers customers and scratch your ass wondering why no one is left to buy anything and your house is worth 1/2 of what it was 4 years ago. Then wonder why your stock portfolio is getting pounded. The solution cut more jobs. Can you say Death Sprial thats where we are and it seems fine by you 1980's republicans. Let me ask a question. Are you retired or Semi retired?
What do you do when the profit is not enough to support the business? You cut expenses. Every accountant will tell you that.

I still work and I count my pennies too like the CEO's count those of the company. There isn't any unearned government check coming in for me. I have to get my budget right.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 08-16-2011, 12:54 PM
jms62's Avatar
jms62 jms62 is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 19,802
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb View Post
OK, just so I'm reading you right, you don't dispute that as a CEO he likely acted properly and within his powers to protect the company...from eventual bankruptcy?

I would suspect that, having different responsibilites and powers, he would be different as president as well. The difference is, Romney actually understands how the economy works. This is better than knowing how you wish the economy worked.
And you know for certain that each company was facing bankruptcy? More likely scenario he wanted his 100 million in options to appreciate to 150 million and really could care less about the people he destroyed. Your thinking is flawed and right out of the early 80's. Profitable companies have been cutting employees for YEARS now so the upper crust could profit more not even giving 2 shits about the future when no one has any money to buy anything becuase they GOT THIERS. This unmitigated greed affects EVERYONE and EVERYONES children/grandchildren. AN economy can not sustain itself when 5% of the people have 90% of the wealth.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 08-16-2011, 12:55 PM
joeydb's Avatar
joeydb joeydb is offline
Santa Anita
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Southeastern PA
Posts: 3,044
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by my miss storm cat View Post
I think Paul turned off a lot of people during the debate (Iran) but alas... I need to go see which horsies went swimming in Hong Kong and important stuff like that but I shall be lurking around down here, albeit quietly.

Carry on.
I can see your point, and I agree re: Iran. I just thought that his platform and core beliefs from the last 30 years fit very well against our current crisis.

He would have fared better had he not said the Iran lines.

Happy stalking...
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 08-16-2011, 12:58 PM
ateamstupid's Avatar
ateamstupid ateamstupid is offline
Super Mod.. and Super Fly
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 13,036
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb View Post
OK, just so I'm reading you right, you don't dispute that as a CEO he likely acted properly and within his powers to protect the company...from eventual bankruptcy?

I would suspect that, having different responsibilites and powers, he would be different as president as well. The difference is, Romney actually understands how the economy works. This is better than knowing how you wish the economy worked.
Oh jeez, yeah, Romney knows how to fix the most complex economy in the world because he became successful by being a ruthless CEO of a venture capitalist firm and Obama doesn't even know how to make change of a dollar because he was a community organizer. We get it.

They're both dipshits with no idea or desire to create jobs. Enough with the talking points.
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 08-16-2011, 01:05 PM
joeydb's Avatar
joeydb joeydb is offline
Santa Anita
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Southeastern PA
Posts: 3,044
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid View Post
Oh jeez, yeah, Romney knows how to fix the most complex economy in the world because he became successful by being a ruthless CEO of a venture capitalist firm and Obama doesn't even know how to make change of a dollar because he was a community organizer. We get it.

They're both dipshits with no idea or desire to create jobs. Enough with the talking points.
Believe it or not, I'm not trying to be overly ideological here. Open question: what would be the best profession to have in order to prepare oneself for the presidency?

Evidently, a community organizer/Harvard law professor is not the answer. And you point out the potential unsuitability of a CEO of a venture capital firm. And Congress is full of mostly lawyers of all stripes.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 08-16-2011, 01:05 PM
jms62's Avatar
jms62 jms62 is offline
Saratoga
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 19,802
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid View Post
Oh jeez, yeah, Romney knows how to fix the most complex economy in the world because he became successful by being a ruthless CEO of a venture capitalist firm and Obama doesn't even know how to make change of a dollar because he was a community organizer. We get it.

They're both dipshits with no idea or desire to create jobs. Enough with the talking points.
They all have Ideas Team. Make it expensive for companies to outsource. Do away with H1B program. Charge tarrifs on Imports vs Trade Balance. They certainly know what to do but it is suicide for them to do it. Thier money supply would be cut off.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 08-16-2011, 01:13 PM
joeydb's Avatar
joeydb joeydb is offline
Santa Anita
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Southeastern PA
Posts: 3,044
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jms62 View Post
And you know for certain that each company was facing bankruptcy? More likely scenario he wanted his 100 million in options to appreciate to 150 million and really could care less about the people he destroyed. Your thinking is flawed and right out of the early 80's. Profitable companies have been cutting employees for YEARS now so the upper crust could profit more not even giving 2 shits about the future when no one has any money to buy anything becuase they GOT THIERS. This unmitigated greed affects EVERYONE and EVERYONES children/grandchildren. AN economy can not sustain itself when 5% of the people have 90% of the wealth.
I don't know that for a fact. It just seems logical that a company would seek to survive and thrive as well as possible for as long as possible. On the flipside, they have to make sure that their products, goods, and/or services remain competitively priced, or the company will decline. Unless you have either a monopoly or a company whose products are vastly superior (i.e. Rolls Royce) you have to run a company efficiently with solid profits. In a competitive environment, it's rare for a company to make astronomical profits.

So I don't think my reasoning was flawed - but I did make the above assumptions.

Paraphrasing you, a country cannot sustain itself when the top earning 5% are paying 58.7%, or when 47% of the people pay no income tax.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2...ble-dip-scare/
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 08-16-2011, 01:17 PM
dellinger63's Avatar
dellinger63 dellinger63 is offline
Keeneland
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: U.S.A.
Posts: 10,072
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ateamstupid View Post
He also fired thousands of people and closed factories everywhere he went, so yeah, have fun voting for President Gekko. I'm sure he gives two sh its about creating jobs.
To be honest I'm having a huge problem warming up to any GOP candidate. But certainly the fact Romney is mormon isn't a reason. It's hard for me to embrace his State's healthcare plan and the fact Mass is at or near the top of the list as far as debt goes. But I'd still vote for him over Obama.

Bachman is an idiot IMO and no way she gets my vote. I'll leave the vote for Pres. unpunched if she gets the nom.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 08-16-2011, 01:29 PM
Antitrust32 Antitrust32 is offline
Jerome Park
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Ft Lauderdale
Posts: 9,413
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb View Post
I don't know that for a fact. It just seems logical that a company would seek to survive and thrive as well as possible for as long as possible. On the flipside, they have to make sure that their products, goods, and/or services remain competitively priced, or the company will decline. Unless you have either a monopoly or a company whose products are vastly superior (i.e. Rolls Royce) you have to run a company efficiently with solid profits. In a competitive environment, it's rare for a company to make astronomical profits.

So I don't think my reasoning was flawed - but I did make the above assumptions.

Paraphrasing you, a country cannot sustain itself when the top earning 5% are paying 58.7%, or when 47% of the people pay no income tax.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2...ble-dip-scare/


There should be a flat tax with a cut off poverty line. If the top 5% control 70% of the wealth like they do now, they should be paying 70% of the taxes that the US collects.

Warren Buffet paid less of a percentage of income taxes than I did last year. That's ridiculous.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot View Post
Can I start just making stuff up out of thin air, too?
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 08-16-2011, 01:30 PM
ateamstupid's Avatar
ateamstupid ateamstupid is offline
Super Mod.. and Super Fly
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 13,036
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by joeydb View Post
Paraphrasing you, a country cannot sustain itself when the top earning 5% are paying 58.7%, or when 47% of the people pay no income tax.
"Buffett noted that his federal tax bill, including payroll taxes, came out to just 17.4 percent of his taxable income last year, a lower percentage than anyone else in his office."

Has Buffett just gamed the system? I'd like to know, because I see Republicans shouting all the time about how the rich are already paying a million percent, but it just makes no sense considering our tax revenues.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:26 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.