Horsey All Decade Team

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

What factors made you choose the horses you did over the others?

I rated them as though I was being paid by someone to rate them for the public.

If I went with all my personal handicapping judgements .. the divisional ratings would look a little different.

Therefore, overall accomplisments of the individual horses mattered more in the ratings I posted than I personally think they should.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team, 4th team by division.

2yo Male: War Pass, Macho Uno, Stevie Wonderboy, Street Sense
2yo Female: Tempera, Storm Flag Flying, Halfbrideld, You
2yo Turf Male: Barbaro, Peace Rules, Interactif, Cowboy Cal
2yo Turf Female: Dreaming of Anna, J'Ray, Fantastic Filly, Riskaverse
2yo Male Sprinter: Officer, Came Home, Afleet Alex, Roman Ruler
2yo Female Sprinter: Cashier's Dream, You, Hot Dixie Chick, Gold Mover

3yo Male: Smarty Jones, Tiznow, Point Given, Bernardini
3yo Female: Rachel Alexandra, Rags To Riches, Xtra Heat, Surfside
3yo Turf Male: Kitten's Joy, Conduit, High Chaparral, Rock Of Gibraltor,
3yo Turf Female: Banks Hill, Ouija Board, Goldikova, Six Perfections
3yo Male Sprinter: Caller One, Squirtle Squirt, Lost In The Fog, Cajun Beat
3yo Female Sprinter: Xtra Heat, Indian Blessing, Madcap Escapade, Lady Tak
Older Male: Ghostzapper, Mineshaft, Medaglia D' Oro, Congaree
Older Female: Zenyatta, Azeri, Riboletta, Sightseek
Older Turf Male: Fantastic Light, Leroidesanemeaux, English Channel, Kalanisi
Older Turf Female: Ouija Board, Golden Apples, Voodoo Dancer, Intercontinental
Older Male Sprinter: Kona Gold, Midnight Lute, Swept Overboard, Fabulous Strike
Older Female Sprinter: Xtra Heat, Honest Lady, Informed Decision, Kalooken Queen


2003 was the glory year for older males for going long ... you don't realize realize quite how spectacular they were until you see what followed them up and what was just before them.

The 3-year-old males are a brutal group to rate. A good case could be made for anyone of seven or eight.

Ridiculous.

Picking 4 horses out of 10 total?

For a minute, I thought this was the "Selections" forum...

[richard]

older female Bewitching Eyes 129-18-17-13 $267,802 winner at 12.
older sprinter Say Florida Sandy 98-33-17-12 $2,085,408

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Ridiculous.

Picking 4 horses out of 10 total?

For a minute, I thought this was the "Selections" forum...

I'm pretty sure more than 10 horses ran this past decade..

[Antitrust32]

Best FL bred?


Best Cal Bred?


Best NY Bred?


Best to have raced in New Mexico at least once?

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I'm pretty sure more than 10 horses ran this past decade..

You might be right about that. I thought he was going off Eclipse winners only.

[Danzig]

i think invasor should be there before congaree or mdo.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think invasor should be there before congaree or mdo.

I agree to an extent but Congaree was one tough SOB. He will never be remembered among the best of the past decade because he didn't have a signature win but he won 10 graded stakes races including Grade I's ranging in distance from 7fs to 10fs.

NT

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team, 4th team by division.

2yo Male: War Pass, Macho Uno, Stevie Wonderboy, Street Sense
2yo Female: Tempera, Storm Flag Flying, Halfbrideld, You
2yo Turf Male: Barbaro, Peace Rules, Interactif, Cowboy Cal
2yo Turf Female: Dreaming of Anna, J'Ray, Fantastic Filly, Riskaverse
2yo Male Sprinter: Officer, Came Home, Afleet Alex, Roman Ruler
2yo Female Sprinter: Cashier's Dream, You, Hot Dixie Chick, Gold Mover

3yo Male: Smarty Jones, Tiznow, Point Given, Bernardini
3yo Female: Rachel Alexandra, Rags To Riches, Xtra Heat, Surfside
3yo Turf Male: Kitten's Joy, Conduit, High Chaparral, Rock Of Gibraltor,
3yo Turf Female: Banks Hill, Ouija Board, Goldikova, Six Perfections
3yo Male Sprinter: Caller One, Squirtle Squirt, Lost In The Fog, Cajun Beat
3yo Female Sprinter: Xtra Heat, Indian Blessing, Madcap Escapade, Lady Tak
Older Male: Ghostzapper, Mineshaft, Medaglia D' Oro, Congaree
Older Female: Zenyatta, Azeri, Riboletta, Sightseek
Older Turf Male: Fantastic Light, Leroidesanemeaux, English Channel, Kalanisi
Older Turf Female: Ouija Board, Golden Apples, Voodoo Dancer, Intercontinental
Older Male Sprinter: Kona Gold, Midnight Lute, Swept Overboard, Fabulous Strike
Older Female Sprinter: Xtra Heat, Honest Lady, Informed Decision, Kalooken Queen


2003 was the glory year for older males for going long ... you don't realize realize quite how spectacular they were until you see what followed them up and what was just before them.

The 3-year-old males are a brutal group to rate. A good case could be made for anyone of seven or eight.

Did you work on this during your absense?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

1st team, 2nd team, 3rd team, 4th team by division.

2yo Male: War Pass, Macho Uno, Stevie Wonderboy, Street Sense
2yo Female: Tempera, Storm Flag Flying, Halfbrideld, You
2yo Turf Male: Barbaro, Peace Rules, Interactif, Cowboy Cal
2yo Turf Female: Dreaming of Anna, J'Ray, Fantastic Filly, Riskaverse
2yo Male Sprinter: Officer, Came Home, Afleet Alex, Roman Ruler
2yo Female Sprinter: Cashier's Dream, You, Hot Dixie Chick, Gold Mover

3yo Male: Smarty Jones, Tiznow, Point Given, Bernardini
3yo Female: Rachel Alexandra, Rags To Riches, Xtra Heat, Surfside
3yo Turf Male: Kitten's Joy, Conduit, High Chaparral, Rock Of Gibraltor,
3yo Turf Female: Banks Hill, Ouija Board, Goldikova, Six Perfections
3yo Male Sprinter: Caller One, Squirtle Squirt, Lost In The Fog, Cajun Beat
3yo Female Sprinter: Xtra Heat, Indian Blessing, Madcap Escapade, Lady Tak
Older Male: Ghostzapper, Mineshaft, Medaglia D' Oro, Congaree
Older Female: Zenyatta, Azeri, Riboletta, Sightseek
Older Turf Male: Fantastic Light, Leroidesanemeaux, English Channel, Kalanisi
Older Turf Female: Ouija Board, Golden Apples, Voodoo Dancer, Intercontinental
Older Male Sprinter: Kona Gold, Midnight Lute, Swept Overboard, Fabulous Strike
Older Female Sprinter: Xtra Heat, Honest Lady, Informed Decision, Kalooken Queen


2003 was the glory year for older males for going long ... you don't realize realize quite how spectacular they were until you see what followed them up and what was just before them.

The 3-year-old males are a brutal group to rate. A good case could be made for anyone of seven or eight.

Are you joking right now with Interactif? He is HORRIBLE, he is a Todd P second stringer who sucks on dirt and beat nothings on turf. Please take him off. If you wont take him off for me, do it for my sister.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Are you joking right now with Interactif? He is HORRIBLE, he is a Todd P second stringer who sucks on dirt and beat nothings on turf. Please take him off. If you wont take him off for me, do it for my sister.

What does that have to do with where he should rank in the 2yo turf category? Should DrugS take Barbaro off the 2yo turf list too, based on the fact that the colt didn't do anything past his 3yo season?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Older Male: Ghostzapper, Mineshaft, Medaglia D' Oro, Congaree

I think I would have Invasor in front of Congaree. I might have him in front of Medaglia D' Oro as well. Invasor was oddly underrated going into the '06 BC, and for some reason even his victory there and subsequent dominance didn't seem to give him the credit and attention I think he deserves.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I think I would have Invasor in front of Congaree. I might have him in front of Medaglia D' Oro as well. Invasor was oddly underrated going into the '06 BC, and for some reason even his victory there and subsequent dominance didn't seem to give him the credit and attention I think he deserves.

Dominance? He barley beat Sun King then tripped out to beat Bernardini. Congaree was freaky good, I would put Candy Ride possibly over both of them, but not Invasor over anyone on his list.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Dominance? He barley beat Sun King then tripped out to beat Bernardini. Congaree was freaky good, I would put Candy Ride possibly over both of them, but not Invasor over anyone on his list.

His victory over Sun King that you mentioned came before the BC. If you read my post, you'll see that I said he was dominant after the BC (that is what "subsequent" means). Perhaps "dominance" was not the best choice of words, but I do consider his post-BC performances to be extremely impressive in that he overcame an outrageously bad trip in the Donn, and then ran a very fast race in the DWC.

Congaree was certainly a very good horse who flashed brilliance at times in his career. He also threw in his share of clunkers. On a list of this nature,the consistency of a horse like Invasor puts him ahead of a horse like Congaree in my book.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

His victory over Sun King that you mentioned came before the BC. If you read my post, you'll see that I said he was dominant after the BC (that is what "subsequent" means). Perhaps "dominance" was not the best choice of words, but I do consider his post-BC performances to be extremely impressive in that he overcame an outrageously bad trip in the Donn, and then ran a very fast race in the DWC.

Congaree was certainly a very good horse who flashed brilliance at times in his career. He also threw in his share of clunkers. On a list of this nature,the consistency of a horse like Invasor puts him ahead of a horse like Congaree in my book.

i was always a congaree fan, but i just think (like you) that invasor was better, or at least more accomplished. but i would certainly put invasor ahead of medaglia d'oro.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by miraja2

His victory over Sun King that you mentioned came before the BC. If you read my post, you'll see that I said he was dominant after the BC (that is what "subsequent" means). Perhaps "dominance" was not the best choice of words, but I do consider his post-BC performances to be extremely impressive in that he overcame an outrageously bad trip in the Donn, and then ran a very fast race in the DWC.

Congaree was certainly a very good horse who flashed brilliance at times in his career. He also threw in his share of clunkers. On a list of this nature,the consistency of a horse like Invasor puts him ahead of a horse like Congaree in my book.

Have to agree with Invasor. The only blemish on his record was a 3rd in the Dubai Derby which was followed by 6 straight G1 wins..Pim Special, Suburban, Woodward, BCC, Donn, and DWC.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

Have to agree with Invasor. The only blemish on his record was a 3rd in the Dubai Derby which was followed by 6 straight G1 wins..Pim Special, Suburban, Woodward, BCC, Donn, and DWC.

I think that if Congaree or M D'Oro ran against the same horses they would likely have 6 straight G1 wins too. Their records don't look as good on paper, but in reality I really do think they are better horses.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Dominance? He barley beat Sun King then tripped out to beat Bernardini.

Thats like saying Rachel Alexandra barely beat Macho Again.. Invasor was a brilliant horse, turned up at every dance and scored at every dance. Id have only the Zapper ahead of him..

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by brockguy

Thats like saying Rachel Alexandra barely beat Macho Again.. Invasor was a brilliant horse, turned up at every dance and scored at every dance. Id have only the Zapper ahead of him..

Way to much love for this horse, Bernardini beats him if Javier knew how to sit chilly.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Way to much love for this horse, Bernardini beats him if Javier knew how to sit chilly.

if ifs and buts were candy and nuts....