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					Originally Posted by Cannon Shell  I remember the first time I saw him play. I was at U of AZ and Oregon State came into town and Payton was just great that night. This was 1987 I think and we had no internet and West Coast games were hardly ever on except when UCLA played someone. I saw this guy who was the best player on the floor playing against a team with 4 future NBA players that was going to the Final 4 that year and I hadnt ever even heard of him. AZ won because Oregon state wasnt that good but he just dominated Kerr and wound up guarding Elliot who was half a foot bigger than him. | 
	
 Was he as good a trash talker back then too?  The only way you really got to hear of lesser known players back then was through a Sports Illustrated article or something, and usually most articles were centered on the top teams in the country.