2013-2014 NBA Season

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The guy played 1 year of college basketball and won the Nat'l championship and outstanding player of the tourney.

His teams have never missed the playoffs in his entire NBA career.

2 gold medals.

Seems like a lot of winning?

Harden is a shorter version of Anthony that plays even less defense. Because he was drafted by a team with a great GM and traded to a team with a very good GM doesnt make him a better player or a "winner". It just makes him fortunate.

Is Chris Paul not a "winner" because his resume doesnt measure up to Carmello's?

Chris Paul is more of a leader, but he also has won nothing yet.
He's also not a team wrecker.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Chris Paul is more of a leader, but he also has won nothing yet.
He's also not a team wrecker.

So this means that Paul is not a winner because he was drafted by New Orleans and was traded to the Clippers?

What team did Anthony wreck? Can you wreck a team into the playoffs?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Chris Paul is more of a leader, but he also has won nothing yet.
He's also not a team wrecker.

He is a coach wrecker...team wrecker to be determined.

While he is obviously very good, I also think he is somewhat overrated.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He is a coach wrecker...team wrecker to be determined.

While he is obviously very good, I also think he is somewhat overrated.

I agree. He is kinda like Melo in that sense that they are both anointed as superstars. Both have had chances to win, neither have. Why when its Lebron and he was winning 60 games in Clevland and getting blasted by much better Spurs teams he was coming up small and could not win??? He still brought that horrible collection of talent to the finals. **** his Robin was Larry Hughes. Melo and Paul have never even made a finals.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I agree. He is kinda like Melo in that sense that they are both anointed as superstars. Both have had chances to win, neither have. Why when its Lebron and he was winning 60 games in Clevland and getting blasted by much better Spurs teams he was coming up small and could not win??? He still brought that horrible collection of talent to the finals. **** his Robin was Larry Hughes. Melo and Paul have never even made a finals.

Is LeBron the new standard that everyone must measure up to not the exception? To be fair the year that LeBron's team made the finals in Cleveland the East was very weak. Plus how can you singlehandedly take a team to the Finals and still "come up small"?

Melo has ALWAYS WON! He has never played on a team with a losing record ever! Winning the championship is an idiotic way of measuring individual players. Please show me a single team that Carmelo Anthony or Chris Paul was on that had a prayer of winning the title?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is LeBron the new standard that everyone must measure up to not the exception? To be fair the year that LeBron's team made the finals in Cleveland the East was very weak. Plus how can you singlehandedly take a team to the Finals and still "come up small"?

Melo has ALWAYS WON! He has never played on a team with a losing record ever! Winning the championship is an idiotic way of measuring individual players. Please show me a single team that Carmelo Anthony or Chris Paul was on that had a prayer of winning the title?

Fine. Melo is a champion and the best regular season player ever.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Fine. Melo is a champion and the best regular season player ever.

No one is saying that but he clearly is a great player.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Fine. Melo is a champion and the best regular season player ever.

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[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

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Like I said. Best regular season player ever. Look best best best case for him is this....
Lakers tank. Get a 1-4 pick. They sign Melo and Kobe is fully healthy. Then they get something legit for Gasol. That team would at least be competitive. Melo is a gunner, he proved it on 35 shots tonight. He might put up 50 sometime again soon. Who else is going to shoot for them Chuck? The Stallion is out, Amare is out. Who is supposed to shoot?

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

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[Conrad]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He is a coach wrecker...team wrecker to be determined.

While he is obviously very good, I also think he is somewhat overrated.

Chris Paul

I suggested this to a big CP fan friend of mine and was basically yelled at.
He's fantastic and all that, but is he the one to lead a team to the title?
I am beginning to seriously doubt it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Conrad

Chris Paul

I suggested this to a big CP fan friend of mine and was basically yelled at.
He's fantastic and all that, but is he the one to lead a team to the title?
I am beginning to seriously doubt it.

Based on what exactly? New Orleans and the Clippers rich tradition of winning and his failure to singlehandedly catapult them into model organzations like San Antonio and Miami?

You think if we subbed him for Tony Parker that SA doesnt win a few of those titles?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Based on what exactly? New Orleans and the Clippers rich tradition of winning and his failure to singlehandedly catapult them into model organzations like San Antonio and Miami?

You think if we subbed him for Tony Parker that SA doesnt win a few of those titles?

I'm obviously biased, but every time OKC meets the Clippers, Westbrook usually outplays Paul, or at the least matches him. So it gets old listening to how great Chris Paul is to be honest. Paul is obviously one of the top players in the league, I just don't think he is one of the 3 or 4 best like a lot of people claim.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm obviously biased, but every time OKC meets the Clippers, Westbrook usually outplays Paul, or at the least matches him. So it gets old listening to how great Chris Paul is to be honest. Paul is obviously one of the top players in the league, I just don't think he is one of the 3 or 4 best like a lot of people claim.

I prefer Westbrook and Curry all day over Paul. I like those athletic combo guys.
Russell has to get himself healthy. He is a guy I hated, but am now sold on. He is a super player.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I prefer Westbrook and Curry all day over Paul. I like those athletic combo guys.
Russell has to get himself healthy. He is a guy I hated, but am now sold on. He is a super player.

Paul is a more complete player. Curry is a huge negative 1/2 the game. Westbrook takes far too many bad shots.

There isnt GM or coach in the league that isnt taking Paul at PG if they need to win one game. The advanced stats on Paul are crazy good. His PER's dwarf those two guys. In roughly the same amount of games Curry has 157 turnovers and Paul has 85. Thats a lot especially for the guy running the show

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm obviously biased, but every time OKC meets the Clippers, Westbrook usually outplays Paul, or at the least matches him. So it gets old listening to how great Chris Paul is to be honest. Paul is obviously one of the top players in the league, I just don't think he is one of the 3 or 4 best like a lot of people claim.

He is clearly the best two way PG in the league. I like Westbrook a lot but he isnt in Paul's league as a playmaker but who in the NBA really is considering Nash is finished? Really Westbrook, Rose, Lillard, Wall arent true PG's but more of combo guards.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is clearly the best two way PG in the league. I like Westbrook a lot but he isnt in Paul's league as a playmaker but who in the NBA really is considering Nash is finished? Really Westbrook, Rose, Lillard, Wall arent true PG's but more of combo guards.

I dont think Paul is clearly the best anything. How is he clearly better then Westbrook or Curry? I could fire some stats out, but you already know them.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is clearly the best two way PG in the league. I like Westbrook a lot but he isnt in Paul's league as a playmaker but who in the NBA really is considering Nash is finished? Really Westbrook, Rose, Lillard, Wall arent true PG's but more of combo guards.

He is better on D than Westbrook? The position has evolved. Paul is more traditional, doesn't make him better.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He is a coach wrecker...team wrecker to be determined.

While he is obviously very good, I also think he is somewhat overrated.

Byron Scott has proved to be a very ordinary NBA coach who got plenty of time in New Orleans. Monty Williams is still there. Del Negro made far fewer questionable decisions the one year that Paul was his PG.

Who would you rather have Rivers or Del Negro?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Byron Scott has proved to be a very ordinary NBA coach who got plenty of time in New Orleans. Monty Williams is still there. Del Negro made far fewer questionable decisions the one year that Paul was his PG.

Who would you rather have Rivers or Del Negro?

Honestly, I don't know. Rivers won with three great players in their prime. Does that make him a great coach? Again, I don't know. For the most part players make coaches. Are the Clippers any better this year than last? Doesn't look that way to me, but that could change come April/May.

Beside the point though. Paul used his influence and the threat of leaving to get Del Negro fired, that is all I was saying.