Penn National arrests

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by geojr130

The over/under line on the Beatties is 2.
I will take the over

your gonna make Freddy cry.

[Kasept]

All tied to those ongoing investigations that threatened these actions: David Wells, Trish Rogers, Sam Webb and an unnamed clocker.

[randallscott35]

A clocker? Hmmm.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Wells, Rogers and Webb along with Clocker Danny Robertson arrested on federal fraud charges - per Ray Paulick. Link to indictments:

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...penn-national/

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Wells, Rogers and Webb along with Clocker Danny Robertson arrested on federal fraud charges - per Ray Paulick. Link to indictments:

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ra...penn-national/

hmm, the Feds, an interesting dynamic since its not just a suspension from the local racing board that they can appeal and then just run in anothers name, this may actually scare a few of the cheaters out there if we are talking about jail time.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

hmm, the Feds, an interesting dynamic since its not just a suspension from the local racing board that they can appeal and then just run in anothers name, this may actually scare a few of the cheaters out there if we are talking about jail time.

I would like to hear a lawyers take on arresting Rogers and Webb. Webb was caught injecting something (not sure what) in a horse he had running and the horse was scratched and he got 30 or 60 days from PA racing commission which he served. Rogers was caught by same investigators injecting additional 2 cc of lasix to horse in that day. I believe she is appealing. My question is can a violation of state rules be minor enough to only get relatively light license suspension be serious enough to qualify as Fraud in a Federal court? Especially in the Rogers case where the same med was used by every other horse in the race admittedly at a slightly lower level. I'd think you'd have a tough time convincing a judge that 2 cc of lasix would have enough of an influence being that you'd easily get a 100 credible witness to testify that it would likely have little effect on the results.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I would like to hear a lawyers take on arresting Rogers and Webb. Webb was caught injecting something (not sure what) in a horse he had running and the horse was scratched and he got 30 or 60 days from PA racing commission which he served. Rogers was caught by same investigators injecting additional 2 cc of lasix to horse in that day. I believe she is appealing. My question is can a violation of state rules be minor enough to only get relatively light license suspension be serious enough to qualify as Fraud in a Federal court? Especially in the Rogers case where the same med was used by every other horse in the race admittedly at a slightly lower level. I'd think you'd have a tough time convincing a judge that 2 cc of lasix would have enough of an influence being that you'd easily get a 100 credible witness to testify that it would likely have little effect on the results.

So the glove doesn't fit?

[Cannon Shell]

Another legal question would be do you think the Feds are avoiding dealing with the trainer responsibility rule seeing as they arrested Rogers wife and not him? Or would being spouse or him asking her to do it have any effect? Just wondering that if these cases wind up with convictions what would that do to the status of trainer responsibility? I know from my own point of view if I could be guilty of a felony because of a mistake of someone else or because of environmental contamination or an error in the testing lad I'd seriously consider a new line of work. As it is now we are in a tenuous position under the TR rule and I had an issue with a faulty lab before so it does happen.

[randallscott35]

What was the clocker injected with?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Another legal question would be do you think the Feds are avoiding dealing with the trainer responsibility rule seeing as they arrested Rogers wife and not him? Or would being spouse or him asking her to do it have any effect? Just wondering that if these cases wind up with convictions what would that do to the status of trainer responsibility? I know from my own point of view if I could be guilty of a felony because of a mistake of someone else or because of environmental contamination or an error in the testing lad I'd seriously consider a new line of work. As it is now we are in a tenuous position under the TR rule and I had an issue with a faulty lab before so it does happen.

I can't talk specifically about this situation, but I have a hard time believing the Feds would be interested in lasix, minor drug injections or holding someone responsible vicariously. The article says race fixing which I would have to think there is a lot more going on than just a few injections.

In general, the Feds don't move to arrest people in an ongoing scheme until they have enough evidence on them to prosecute them ten times over. They like to compile enough cases against people so that if one develops problems, they have nine other cases that are rock solid. I have to think that this investigation has been ongoing for a long time and they have some serious evidence which almost always includes having the accused on wires and possibly video talking about the criminal scheme they are engaging in.