Presidential Communication

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Does that include those pulling the "D" lever or just the "R" lever?

you're struggling to understand what he meant?

[Danzig]

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“It makes no difference who you vote for - the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people” (how true. note that many corporations give to both parties. that way, they're in the pols pockets regardless of who wins the election)

Now you have people in Washington who have no interest in the country at all. They're interested in their companies, their corporations grabbing Caspian oil.


Democracy is supposed to give you the feeling of choice, like Painkiller X and Painkiller Y. But they're both just aspirin.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

Gore Vidal selected quotes...



“It makes no difference who you vote for - the two parties are really one party representing four percent of the people” (how true. note that many corporations give to both parties. that way, they're in the pols pockets regardless of who wins the election)

Now you have people in Washington who have no interest in the country at all. They're interested in their companies, their corporations grabbing Caspian oil.


Democracy is supposed to give you the feeling of choice, like Painkiller X and Painkiller Y. But they're both just aspirin.

I agree with much of what you say here. It is true no doubt.

We technically have a republic, not a democracy - but that makes it all the more important who is selected by the voters to represent us.

I can't reconcile the low opinion of Congress (8% to 13%) with the astronomically high re-election rates seen in the House (upwards of 90%). Something nefarious is going on.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I agree with much of what you say here. It is true no doubt.

We technically have a republic, not a democracy - but that makes it all the more important who is selected by the voters to represent us.

I can't reconcile the low opinion of Congress (8% to 13%) with the astronomically high re-election rates seen in the House (upwards of 90%). Something nefarious is going on.

You will understand it more if you look into the mirror this morning. When was the last time you voted for someone not from the bloods?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I agree with much of what you say here. It is true no doubt.

We technically have a republic, not a democracy - but that makes it all the more important who is selected by the voters to represent us.

I can't reconcile the low opinion of Congress (8% to 13%) with the astronomically high re-election rates seen in the House (upwards of 90%). Something nefarious is going on.

high re-election rates due to party control, money and the like.

i like the thought of term limits, but the parties would only insert a new candidate and keep the seat. and if a seat holder doesn't toe the line, they support someone else-see joe lieberman. and not everyone has the money to run as an independant and win the general election, like lieberman did.

what we need is campaign finance reform-again. but that won't happen, because why would pols slit their own throat? and scotus didn't help with its citizens united ruling, which is looking more and more like a bad move.
the common man, which is most of us, has no voice any more. thus, legislation will be for those with a voice, and that would be the rich.
this is why taxes continue to drop for the rich, no one else, you have legislation written by corporations, the minimum wage won't budge, all to aid the bottom lines of those with all the power and money and all the say.

Originally Posted by joeydb

I can't reconcile the low opinion of Congress (8% to 13%) with the astronomically high re-election rates seen in the House (upwards of 90%). Something nefarious is going on.

It's called gerrymandering (but you know that, I'm sure).

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

It's called gerrymandering (but you know that, I'm sure).

I am familiar with gerrymandering. But people do move too, and the redistricting only occurs every 10 years in response to census data. 90%+ effective though? Still surprising.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I am familiar with gerrymandering. But people do move to, and the redistricting only occurs every 10 years in response to census data. 90%+ effective though? Still surprising.

people tend to move to a place with people of similar background. no surprise that demographics of an area don't change.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're struggling to understand what he meant?

No, just pointing out that both parties have consistent supporters, and I wasn't sure if he disagrees with both parties.