FL suspends, Tampa sanctions Cibelli

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Scav

Someone stated on the comments section of the Paulick report that Ness was not going back to Tampa this year. Now, obviously those have to be taken with the biggest grain of salt but if there is some validity to that, the place becomes bettable for those that are not center stage like some of our DT people.

I think Ness should be banned for life, but I don't think his presence makes the racing unbettable. To the contrary, you can make some real money betting against his horses in the right spots (usually in turf races where his horses don't figure and are still bet like it's dirt) and in other spots, he's as rock-solid a single as they come. Again, I don't condone what he does, but strictly from a player's perspective, there's upside to having him on the grounds.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I think Ness should be banned for life, but I don't think his presence makes the racing unbettable. To the contrary, you can make some real money betting against his horses in the right spots (usually in turf races where his horses don't figure and are still bet like it's dirt) and in other spots, he's as rock-solid a single as they come. Again, I don't condone what he does, but strictly from a player's perspective, there's upside to having him on the grounds.

I haven't pulled Formulator on him in a while, but if he claimed one out of a dirt sprint and ran him first out 2 turns turf, his win rate was like 6% or something, yet they always took a ton of because his first off the claim % is generally in the high 30's. Great bet against opportunities as you get inflated prices on logical horses.

I've learned to live with him. If he doesn't come back, I won't be doing cartwheels about it nor will I lose any sleep. will definitely have to alter my approach to wagering there though.

Of course, Zaidie will be waiting in the wings to take his place.

[NTamm1215]

I'm sure Ness will increase his string at Oaklawn with their gargantuan purses. He sent more last year.

[Cannon Shell]

I have absolutely no information and this is just speculation but perhaps Midwest is looking to something a little different. Virtually every huge claiming operation eventually loses interest in winning 8000nw2 races.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I have absolutely no information and this is just speculation but perhaps Midwest is looking to something a little different. Virtually every huge claiming operation eventually loses interest in winning 8000nw2 races.

Well its the purse that they lose interest in not the race right? TBD has pathetic purse structure.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Well its the purse that they lose interest in not the race right? TBD has pathetic purse structure.

I don't know. They pulled out of Penn too after doing well with really cheap horses and far better purses than tampa. Winning all those races is nice but after awhile it gets old and people want to take on a new challenge. Again pure speculation but it isn't like they didn't know Tampa's purses sucked the last 5 years

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I have absolutely no information and this is just speculation but perhaps Midwest is looking to something a little different. Virtually every huge claiming operation eventually loses interest in winning 8000nw2 races.

Seemed like the spent a lot of money at Keeneland sale.

[pointman]

Found this article on drf very interesting.

http://www.drf.com/news/deluded-trai...-diluted-drugs

Seems that there are cheaters cheating the cheaters. Poetic justice IMO.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pointman

Found this article on drf very interesting.

http://www.drf.com/news/deluded-trai...-diluted-drugs

Seems that there are cheaters cheating the cheaters. Poetic justice IMO.

Sarapin works. They can claim whatever they want but I've seen it work.

I don't believe anything the RMTC says anymore. They told us years ago they had an effective test for EPO yet no positives and then just a few weeks ago we were told that the test they have more or less doesnt work.

My question to them is if these substances dont actually work then why would anyone want to waste money developing tests for them? How can a substance be classified as a Class A drug if they claim it has no effect?