NTRA Top 10 Poll

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Your wrong, its over according to this guy, Wise Dan has had the best year and its not close.

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/edito...e.cgi?id=39764

I believe there are a few scenarios that could make a few different horses HOY.
If Orb or Palace Malice were to win Saturday then win the BC Classic I think either of them could be HOY. If Cross Traffic wins Saturday then wins the BC Classic I think he would be HOY. If Will Take Charge wins the BC Classic I think he would be HOY. If Royal Delta wins this Saturday then beats the boys in the BC Classic I think she would win. If Game on Dude wins the Classic you could give it to him. I believe if any of the above happen, they would deserve HOY over Wise Dan and his all grass and 2 Grade 2 campaign. Taking nothing away from him either, he is great.

[10 pnt move up]

I just found it odd that Game On Dude demolished the fields in the SA Handicap, the Hollywood Gold Cup, and the Pacific Classic, the fastest figures of the year, and does not even merit consideration.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I just found it odd that Game On Dude demolished the fields in the SA Handicap, the Hollywood Gold Cup, and the Pacific Classic, the fastest figures of the year, and does not even merit consideration.

Where is he right now? I thought he was running Saturday, are they going straight to the Classic? If he wins the Classic, he is HOY.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Where is he right now? I thought he was running Saturday, are they going straight to the Classic? If he wins the Classic, he is HOY.

You have a different opinion than that of the writer who said Wise Dan would have to "flop" to lose it.

He is going to the Classic off the layoff.

I wont be shocked to see him lose the classic, its a tough race, but his year has been spectacular. I think its the best season by a west coast horse since......hmmm, well maybe AP Indy who won the SA Derby, Belmont, Breeders Cup Classic. Lava Man had a couple good years but nothing this dominant.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

You have a different opinion than that of the writer who said Wise Dan would have to "flop" to lose it.

He is going to the Classic off the layoff.

I wont be shocked to see him lose the classic, its a tough race, but his year has been spectacular. I think its the best season by a west coast horse since......hmmm, well maybe AP Indy who won the SA Derby, Belmont, Breeders Cup Classic. Lava Man had a couple good years but nothing this dominant.

I dont think Wise Dan deserves it over any of the horses I mentioned if any of those things happen. Hell, even if Flat Out or Alpha were to sweep the JCGC and Classic I would then give it to either of them over Wise Dan. I know everyone loves Wise Dan, but the horse is a miler. Nothing wrong with that, he is great..... I just dont love him for HOY. Honestly, if POE comes back and wins the BC Turf I give him older turf horse over Wise Dan, even if Wise Dan wins at Keeneland and then the Mile.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I dont think Wise Dan deserves it over any of the horses I mentioned if any of those things happen. Hell, even if Flat Out or Alpha were to sweep the JCGC and Classic I would then give it to either of them over Wise Dan. I know everyone loves Wise Dan, but the horse is a miler. Nothing wrong with that, he is great..... I just dont love him for HOY. Honestly, if POE comes back and wins the BC Turf I give him older turf horse over Wise Dan, even if Wise Dan wins at Keeneland and then the Mile.

well, now.....

how do you reconcile this in your own head? do you really think that it makes sense? the horse does nothing but win. you say he's great, but in the same sentence hold 'he's a miler' against him. flat out is an enjoyable horse; he's also very much a belmont horse. i would see putting money on him for the jcgc, but i'd be hard pressed to use him away from belmont.
i think right now it's between wise dan and game on dude, but still racing left.

what i don't like is what chuck mentions, people using the bc to cast a vote, and not knowing a thing about the rest of the years races. some absolute head scratchers make the ballot.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

well, now.....

how do you reconcile this in your own head? do you really think that it makes sense? the horse does nothing but win. you say he's great, but in the same sentence hold 'he's a miler' against him. flat out is an enjoyable horse; he's also very much a belmont horse. i would see putting money on him for the jcgc, but i'd be hard pressed to use him away from belmont.
i think right now it's between wise dan and game on dude, but still racing left.

what i don't like is what chuck mentions, people using the bc to cast a vote, and not knowing a thing about the rest of the years races. some absolute head scratchers make the ballot.

I acknowledge his accomplishments and believe he is great. Would him not winning HOY suddenly make him not great?? I was just pointing out that I believe there are 5-6 horses who could be HOY over him. They all have one thing in common dirt route winners.