Ride on Normandy Invasion

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by bigjag0716

I needed Normandy Invasion for the double and an exacta. I do think Javy moved a little early, but I don't think anyone was going to beat Orb on this day. The race kind of broke down and maybe that hurt Normandy Invasion from making a launch from the middle one run, but I don't think he wins regardless. That being said, I do think he could have gotten 2nd

I agree. I thought he moved too soon and would have been a clear 2nd with a more patient ride.

[JimmyEllis]

Hard to justify that ride. Especially from a supposed top jock. Wins with a more patient ride

[Cannon Shell]

I don't think it was a bad ride. He just wasn't good enough

[declansharbor]

I probably missed it somewhere, but was Johnny V's decision on who to ride made because of his relationship with Pletcher or did they think Verrazano had a better chance to win?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I probably missed it somewhere, but was Johnny V's decision on who to ride made because of his relationship with Pletcher or did they think Verrazano had a better chance to win?

i think it was more due to him riding for pletcher so much-but it's not like verrazano wasn't a good horse.
sometimes you pick right, sometimes not....

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think it was more due to him riding for pletcher so much-but it's not like verrazano wasn't a good horse.
sometimes you pick right, sometimes not....

I think it had everything to do with his relationship with Pletcher. The Derby may be the biggest race of the year, but it's still just one race. He's smart (and classy) to stay loyal.

[ninetoone]

I agree with Cannon...he wasn't winning today. I bet him to win...he simply didn't have enough in the tank & wouldn't have even with a more patient ride.

[NTamm1215]

He moved WAY too soon and cost his mount at least a 2nd place finish in my opinion.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

I agree with Cannon...he wasn't winning today. I bet him to win...he simply didn't have enough in the tank & wouldn't have even with a more patient ride.

I bet Normandy Invasion to win, too, but now that it's all about hoping for a TC for me, I would like to think that right now Orb is just maybe better than everyone else.

(But I'm not saying that very loud, Racing Gods, okay?)

[ateamstupid]

Typical Javier premature move. I too was reminded of his ride on Bernardini.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I don't think it was a bad ride. He just wasn't good enough

Chuck

The game has all these tech advances, albeit for the fans, over the last few years with innovations like Trakus to make a race easier to follow. Is there nothing on these massive scoreboards for these jocks to see or in some way hear the splits for the big races on a day like yesterday.

Is a glance at 22.1, 45.1 or 109.4 on these huge tote boards completely out of the question given the chaos of a 19 horse field. I realize the jocks are supposed to have a decent clock in their heads or does it not matter once a suicide pace is set you can't slow'em down and expect to kick it in gear at the top of the stretch. The horse doesn't exactly come with a gear shift.....

[cmorioles]

He clearly moved too early, not sure how that is even a debate. I'm sure judging whether a pace is fast is suicidal is not an easy thing to do, but he judged wrong. At worst, he was the second best horse in the race.

[tjfla]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He clearly moved too early, not sure how that is even a debate. I'm sure judging whether a pace is fast is suicidal is not an easy thing to do, but he judged wrong. At worst, he was the second best horse in the race.

Exactly,Castellano saw Oxbow go and went with him. He waits another second or 2 and he is 2nd easy.

Golden Soul I think killed everyone's ticket. I had him 3/4 on all of mine

[NTamm1215]

These are his updated PPs after yesterday. If you're arguing that he didn't move too early, you're wrong.

[Calzone Lord]

My handicapping and betting approach is focused on watching all races with +20 or faster and -12 or slower paces.

I'd have zero bet backs and four bet againsts coming out of this race.

None of the speed horses ran well enough to merit automatic bet back status.

Orb, Golden Soul, Revolutionary, and Mylute would all go into stable mail as bet againsts next time.

Mylute followed Orb the whole way around and finished 3.75 lengths back. Both had clear wide trips.

Revolutionary followed Golden Soul until the top of the stretch. Both had clear inside trips, though Revo was bottled up with a lot of run going into the turn.

All of them raced more than 18 lengths back and benefited from the meltdown scenario.

Java's War was the only horse positioned 15th or worse, who failed to have a top 5 finish, but I don't put a horse like him on the list because he can show up in a Turf or Synthetic race next time.

The way I judge a +20 or faster pace is no different if it's the 3rd race at Emerald Downs or the Kentucky Derby.