6/8 (BEL) 145th Belmont Stakes: Field at 14 as 'Tiz' passes

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by tjfla

$2 Million UAE Derby Draw

...........................................RATING

1)Law Enforcement....................110
2)Elleval..................................102
3)Now Spun (USA).....................109
4)Lines Of Battle (USA)...............106
5)Dice Flavor (USA)....................108
6)Emotif....................................98
7)Secret Number........................112
8)Zahee...................................105
9)Shuruq (F) (USA).....................112
10)Keiai Leone............................105
11)Snowboarder (USA).................102
12)Hes Had Enough (USA).............110

Does anyone know who is 3 yr old or KY Derby Eligible? Beside Dice Flavor and HHE?

Law Enforcment 7yr NYB sprinter??

[goodcopy]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Vyjack fans should be rather pleased if they haven't seen the video of his work Friday with Head Heart Hoof. Not only is the drill sharp, Vyjack finishes with a tremendous double gallop out.. YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PibDchGwWiU

The Wood is going to be terrific.. Current probables/possibles:

Verrazano (Pletcher)
Normandy Invasion (C. Brown)
Vyjack (Rodriguez)
West Hills Giant (Terranova)
Elnaawi (McLaughlin)
Are You Kidding Me (Attfield)
Mr Palmer (Mott)
Always in a Tiz (Schettino)
Indy’s Illusion (Tagg)
Quinzieme Monarque (Albertrani)

Siete de Oros (Preciado)**
Speak Logistics (Plesa)**
War Academy (Baffert)**
Tiz the Truth (Baffert)**
Power Broker (Baffert)**

She wins it and is eligible for both the Derby and the Oaks
How does Govenor Charlie get a bigger Beyer than the obviously more impressive and totally geared down Midnight Lucky?
This might be the real problem with the new "Point" System.
Does the filly get points only for the Oaks?
She might be favored at this point against most of the male contenders.
Does she go the route of Rachel Alexandra and dominate the Oaks then win the Preakness and Belmont?
That would be a rip off!

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by goodcopy

She wins it and is eligible for both the Derby and the Oaks
How does Govenor Charlie get a bigger Beyer than the obviously more impressive and totally geared down Midnight Lucky?
This might be the real problem with the new "Point" System.
Does the filly get points only for the Oaks?
She might be favored at this point against most of the male contenders.
Does she go the route of Rachel Alexandra and dominate the Oaks then win the Preakness and Belmont?
That would be a rip off!

What made her "obviously more impressive?"

[goodcopy]

I thought Raphy's ride was as motionless as I have ever see!
Never touched her with the whip and was completly geared down the last 1/16 New track record!

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by goodcopy

I thought Raphy's ride was as motionless as I have ever see!
Never touched her with the whip and was completly geared down the last 1/16 New track record!

Weren't there 3 track records there yesterday?

Bejarano seemed to ask her a bit early in the stretch and then she was geared down. She's very, very good. But would you really want to bet her 6 weeks from now in a 20 horse field going 10 furlongs?

[goodcopy]

I just thought that this is a bias gaff in the point system
Just like to see if anybody thinks she is good enough to beat her male classmates

[Kasept]

Stevens gets Oxbow for AR Derby..
http://www.drf.com/news/oaklawn-park...arkansas-derby

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Weren't there 3 track records there yesterday?

Bejarano seemed to ask her a bit early in the stretch and then she was geared down. She's very, very good. But would you really want to bet her 6 weeks from now in a 20 horse field going 10 furlongs?

I don't even want to bet her in the Oaks. I don't believe a single thing from that track.

The only thing that I will say is that generally, that CD surface, plays alot like the Sunland track was on Oaks and Derby Day. Not necessarily speed favoring, but razor tight.

[Kasept]

Late Nominations ($6k) to 2013 Triple Crown:

Are You Kidding Me Roger Attfield
Black Onyx Kelly Breen
Brazilian Court Mike Maker
Departing Al Stall Jr.
Erik the Red Linda Rice
Giant Finish Tony Dutrow
Hip Four Sixtynine Bobby Barnett
Infinite Magic Graham Motion
Narvaez Agustin Bezara
Storm Fighter Bruce Headley
Sunbean All Stall Jr.
Undrafted Wesley Ward
Wings of Fortune Mike Maker

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Late Nominations ($6k) to 2013 Triple Crown:

Are You Kidding Me Roger Attfield
Black Onyx Kelly Breen
Brazilian Court Mike Maker
Departing Al Stall Jr.
Erik the Red Linda Rice
Giant Finish Tony Dutrow
Hip Four Sixtynine Bobby Barnett
Infinite Magic Graham Motion
Narvaez Agustin Bezara
Storm Fighter Bruce Headley
Sunbean All Stall Jr.
Undrafted Wesley Ward
Wings of Fortune Mike Maker

I'll be using Departing Saturday. I think he's pretty good.

[mbahadur]

Per Santa Anita Stable Notes, Demonic is possible for the Arkansas Derby or the Blue Grass.

[Dunbar]

Palace Malice may run in the Blue Grass. Pletcher sounded like it was a real possibility on TV immediately after the race, and Cot Cambell said the same thing as quoted in an article in the Augusta Chronicle:

"Not quite ready to concede that there is no Run for the Roses in Palace Malice’s future, Campbell noted, “If he comes out of this thing all right, we’d have to take a look at the Blue Grass (to be run three weeks hence at Keeneland). He deserves another chance.”"

--Dunbar

[TouchOfGrey]

No big surprise; Shanghai Bobby off the Derby Trail.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey

No big surprise; Shanghai Bobby off the Derby Trail.

Another precocious Pletcher trainee that will disappear without any explanation or diagnosis.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Late Nominations ($6k) to 2013 Triple Crown:

Are You Kidding Me Roger Attfield
Black Onyx Kelly Breen
Brazilian Court Mike Maker
Departing Al Stall Jr.
Erik the Red Linda Rice Giant Finish Tony Dutrow
Hip Four Sixtynine Bobby Barnett
Infinite Magic Graham Motion
Narvaez Agustin Bezara
Storm Fighter Bruce Headley
Sunbean All Stall Jr.
Undrafted Wesley Ward
Wings of Fortune Mike Maker

steve,
i gotta keep an eye on erik the red, for obvious reasons! wait til i tell my youngest about this horse.

[alysheba4]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Another precocious Pletcher trainee that will disappear without any explanation or diagnosis.

they circled the wagons and decided to do the right thing.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by alysheba4

they circled the wagons and decided to do the right thing.

What right thing? The horse was fine in the allowance comeback, and had a dreadful post/trip in the FL derby. What is exactly wrong with him that they couldn't regroup and take a look at either the Lexington or IL derby then Preakness? Or give him a few more weeks and maybe the Peter Pan / Belmont route?

To run twice since November, then say he's off the trail because "We're going to take our time with him" sounds all too familiar from that barn. That's all I meant. I would not be surprised if that was the last time we see the horse on the track.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

What right thing? The horse was fine in the allowance comeback, and had a dreadful post/trip in the FL derby. What is exactly wrong with him that they couldn't regroup and take a look at either the Lexington or IL derby then Preakness? Or give him a few more weeks and maybe the Peter Pan / Belmont route?

To run twice since November, then say he's off the trail because "We're going to take our time with him" sounds all too familiar from that barn. That's all I meant. I would not be surprised if that was the last time we see the horse on the track.

I'll be surprised if he returns at all.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I'll be surprised if he returns at all.

Toast

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

I know Verrazano and Vyjack are very worthy favorites. But I'm curious about Always in a Tiz. He's been green in his starts. Schettino was supposed to run him in the Rebel, and decided to give him more time to train. They add blinkers, and Borel ships in to ride him (lateral move from Paco Lopez? Downgrade? Upgrade?). There's a good chance he finishes up the track, but I just wanna see 1 more from him before I totally give up.

Just quoting and pasting this in here too so you guys can give me extra ridicule lol