Convention Highlights

[Antitrust32]

I love the dems disingenuous claim of 4.5 million jobs created in the past 4 years.

Well, yes, you cannot say its a lie, because there have been 4.5 million jobs created. Just happens that 4.2 million jobs were also lost. There has been a net gain of 300,000 jobs... aka 0.1% of the American population.

Way to be dishonest and not lie at the same time. I believe that is what Democrats do best.

[pmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I love the dems disingenuous claim of 4.5 million jobs created in the past 4 years.

Well, yes, you cannot say its a lie, because there have been 4.5 million jobs created. Just happens that 4.2 million jobs were also lost. There has been a net gain of 300,000 jobs... aka 0.1% of the American population.

Way to be dishonest and not lie at the same time. I believe that is what Democrats do best.

I had what I truly believe was a fine meet at Saratoga this year. During the 5th week I made several thousand dollars, far better than I did in the 5th week of 2011. Troughout the meet, I cashed thousands more in winning tickets. I'm so wonderful.

Footnote - total losses significantly exceeded total winnings...

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by pmacdaddy

I had what I truly believe was a fine meet at Saratoga this year. During the 5th week I made several thousand dollars, far better than I did in the 5th week of 2011. Troughout the meet, I cashed thousands more in winning tickets. I'm so wonderful.

Footnote - total losses significantly exceeded total winnings...

This is the politics forum, have you not learned yet that math is unwelcome here.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pmacdaddy

I had what I truly believe was a fine meet at Saratoga this year. During the 5th week I made several thousand dollars, far better than I did in the 5th week of 2011. Troughout the meet, I cashed thousands more in winning tickets. I'm so wonderful.

Footnote - total losses significantly exceeded total winnings...

Yes, well, cute analogy, but the comparison of the jobs numbers we are talking about would indeed be considered the entire meet results, your net, not just a week.

Nice try, but way off on the analogy attempt.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, well, cute analogy, but the comparison of the jobs numbers we are talking about would indeed be considered the entire meet results, your net, not just a week.

Nice try, but way off on the analogy attempt.

No it is not, you are not including the loss in public sector jobs. Stop your consistent lying and attempts to manipulate the statistics in a direction positive for Obama.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

No it is not, you are not including the loss in public sector jobs. Stop your consistent lying and attempts to manipulate the statistics in a direction positive for Obama.

What nonsense. Of course it's not a good analogy I don't have to "manipulate" anything - the facts are what they are. I addressed public sector jobs in the other post - and yes, there is still an overall jobs gain, in spite of the Republican Governors massively decimating public sector jobs these past few years.

Any attempt to paint the Obama administration as "bad on jobs" is beyond factually absurd.

[pmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, well, cute analogy, but the comparison of the jobs numbers we are talking about would indeed be considered the entire meet results, your net, not just a week.

Nice try, but way off on the analogy attempt.

Main point is that 4.5M number is some twisted spin. Embarassing actually.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by pmacdaddy

Main point is that 4.5M number is some twisted spin. Embarassing actually.

It is more embarrassing when the actual number is that there are less people working today than when Obama took office when you include all jobs, not just the ones that the Democrats want to count and not selecting the best starting point (which was the lowest number of people working during the Obama administration) and comparing it to today. That is a fact.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pmacdaddy

Main point is that 4.5M number is some twisted spin. Embarassing actually.

It's not twisted at all. 4.5 million jobs were created. As we were 3.8 million down from where we should have been, due to the Bush recession and massive job loss during those eight years, yes, those jobs initially had to fill in that massive Bush loss, and now we are trying to keep building back upon it. Hardly spin. Everyone know we were in a financial collapse and massive recession, with 800,000 jobs a month loss at the end of the Bush term. That's no "secret" or "spin.

Of course they get credit for creating those jobs - especially in the face of complete governmental obstruction. Don't forget one political party chose and planned to throw the citizens of this country under the bus, in order to try and gain back power.

[trifecta124]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's not twisted at all. 4.5 million jobs were created. As we were 3.8 million down from where we should have been, due to the Bush recession and massive job loss during those eight years, yes, those jobs initially had to fill in that massive Bush loss, and now we are trying to keep building back upon it. Hardly spin. Everyone know we were in a financial collapse and massive recession, with 800,000 jobs a month loss at the end of the Bush term. That's no "secret" or "spin.

Of course they get credit for creating those jobs - especially in the face of complete governmental obstruction. Don't forget one political party chose and planned to throw the citizens of this country under the bus, in order to try and gain back power.

Even CNN said they all lied last night.....Also, what is the quality of these "jobs" that have been created.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by trifecta124

Even CNN said they all lied last night.....

No, that's not what CNN was saying last night.

Reality. Get a grip on reality.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I love the dems disingenuous claim of 4.5 million jobs created in the past 4 years.

Well, yes, you cannot say its a lie, because there have been 4.5 million jobs created. Just happens that 4.2 million jobs were also lost. There has been a net gain of 300,000 jobs... aka 0.1% of the American population.

Way to be dishonest and not lie at the same time. I believe that is what Democrats do best.

To start climbing out of the disastrous job loss recession/near depression hole Bush put us in, we needed 3.9 million jobs to replace what Bush lost. 800,000 jobs lost alone the month Obama took office.

So denigrating all those jobs created to replace the ones Bush lost is beyond ridiculous. Every single one of those jobs was needed, and yeah, we're 300,000 ahead at this point. Yes, we need more.

You expected a Republican president to create more jobs? Seriously? The party that won't do any job help at all, and fires public workers?

And you might note the majority of those jobs created were private sector jobs, because the Republican Governors were laying off public sector workers left and right, for an overall net LOSS.

Saying everything below the horizontal line of zero - fighting back to zero baseline via job creation - was useless and of no importance and deserves zero credit is false and ridiculous. Of course the Dems get credit for creating those jobs.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

To start climbing out of the disastrous job loss recession/near depression hole Bush put us in, we needed 3.9 million jobs to replace what Bush lost. 800,000 jobs lost alone the month Obama took office.

So denigrating all those jobs created to replace the ones Bush lost is beyond ridiculous. Every single one of those jobs was needed, and yeah, we're 300,000 ahead at this point. Yes, we need more.

You expected a Republican president to create more jobs? Seriously? The party that won't do any job help at all, and fires public workers?

And you might note the majority of those jobs created were private sector jobs, because the Republican Governors were laying off public sector workers left and right, for an overall net LOSS.

Saying everything below the horizontal line of zero - fighting back to zero - was useless and of no importance is false and ridiculous. Of course the Dems get credit for creating those jobs.

Nonsense. Obama promised a recovery with the stimulis and all he did was spend a lot of money for nothing. Most of the jobs lost would have been added without government intervention. Government intervention has done nothing but waste a ton of money, made businessman scared to hire and increased the debt to over 16 trillion. Obama is a disaster and there is no way to spin it.

By the way, Bush did not create the recession, Democrats did. It started with Clinton forcing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make riskier and riskier loans which Barney Frank made even worse during Bush's term. Bush is at fault for not stopping the Democrats from forcing banks to give loans to people who could never afford them.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I love the dems disingenuous claim of 4.5 million jobs created in the past 4 years.

Well, yes, you cannot say its a lie, because there have been 4.5 million jobs created. Just happens that 4.2 million jobs were also lost. There has been a net gain of 300,000 jobs... aka 0.1% of the American population.

Way to be dishonest and not lie at the same time. I believe that is what Democrats do best.

Lori, even a net gain of 300,000 jobs is inaccurate, that is the figure for the private sector. However, when you add in the fact that there has been a loss of over 1 million public sector jobs since Obama took office, the picture becomes clear. There are less people working today than there were when Obama took office. This claim is a total outright lie based upon manipulation of statistics by taking the lowest amount of people working during the Obama administration and comparing it to today and by excluding public sector non-farm jobs.

What else should we expect from an Administration that attempts to claim that unemployment is vastly lower than it actually is (which is still vastly higher than the rate that Obama promised when he shoved his stimulis through a partisan Congress) by refusing to count those people who have run the course of their unemployment benefits and have given up hope looking for work?

I can't wait to hear the Democrat spin on the highest ever amount of American's now on food stamps. The 76 billion spent on food stamps last year is more than double what was spent on the program when Obama took office.

This administration outright lies to the American people and morons like Riot and Big Run fall for it hook, line and sinker. This is a party whose 2016 frontrunner caught on the spot on Sunday honestly answered no to the question "are American's better off today than 4 years ago" only to backpeddal the next day after the Obama's handlers got his hands on him and now claims we are better off. It is the party of lies that only the truly stupid believe.

[Riot]

The Republican Party has found itself on the outskirts now, on the verge of becoming a permanent minority party, because the RNC convention revealed it to be empty of actual policy, simply falling back on rancor, attack, insult, scare tactics and wanting to undo all the gains of the past 150 years. Useless.

Here Ezra Klein, a few days ago, explains how government lay-offs has killed job growth, and the good job growth we've had in the private sector past 4 years.

The Washington Post’s Ezra Klein breaks down what the US economy might look like if government employment was at the same level as in previous recessions under Reagan and Bush 41. "If we hadn't lost public sector jobs, unemployment would be at 7.8 percent," he says.

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc/48822188#48822188

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

The Republican Party has found itself on the outskirts now, on the verge of becoming a permanent minority party, because the RNC convention revealed it to be empty of actual policy, simply falling back on rancor, attack, insult, scare tactics and wanting to undo all the gains of the past 150 years. Useless.

Here Ezra Klein, a few days ago, explains how government lay-offs has killed job growth, and the good job growth we've had in the private sector past 4 years.

You are completely delusional. Time to take your meds, crazy lady.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

You are completely delusional. Time to take your meds, crazy lady.

When you don't any facts, resorting to calling names works well for you. You demean yourself to that level frequently and readily. Sad, really.

You are the perfect representation of the current remnants of the Republican Party. Reading your posts is like watching the RNC undercard speakers. Hands over ears, yelling "get the Muslim!" and "austerity" and "God". Scare, fear, we are not really in control. The three platitudes of Republicanism today. That's all that's left of that party.

Oh, and here's a funny thing: the massive layoffs of public workers by Republican governors over the past 3 years was pointed out, and the GOP tried to refute it this past spring. In other words, the GOP were arguing that their layoffs of public sector workers did not hurt unemployment. Oh, those lying kids!

So, sorry - the GOP says the public sector is really fine. Well, at least they did last June!

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...rker-la/166596

Conservative Media Dismiss Government Worker Layoffs To Argue Public Sector Is Fine

Conservative media are downplaying the severity of public sector job cuts by trumpeting data showing that the unemployment rate among government workers in May was 4.2 percent. But that statistic doesn't change the fact that public sector job cuts in this recovery have been more severe compared with previous recoveries and experts contend these cuts not only threaten the recovering economy but also impact private sector job growth.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

When you don't any facts, resorting to calling names works well for you. You demean yourself to that level frequently and readily. Sad, really.

You are the perfect representation of the current remnants of the Republican Party. Reading your posts is like watching the RNC undercard speakers. Hands over ears, yelling "get the Muslim!" and "austerity" and "God". Scare, fear, we are not really in control. The three platitudes of Republicanism today. That's all that's left of that party.

Oh, and here's a funny thing: the massive layoffs of public workers by Republican governors over the past 3 years was pointed out, and the GOP tried to refute it this past spring. In other words, the GOP were arguing that their layoffs of public sector workers did not hurt unemployment. Oh, those lying kids!

So, sorry - the GOP says the public sector is really fine. Well, at least they did last June!

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...rker-la/166596

Conservative Media Dismiss Government Worker Layoffs To Argue Public Sector Is Fine

Conservative media are downplaying the severity of public sector job cuts by trumpeting data showing that the unemployment rate among government workers in May was 4.2 percent. But that statistic doesn't change the fact that public sector job cuts in this recovery have been more severe compared with previous recoveries and experts contend these cuts not only threaten the recovering economy but also impact private sector job growth.

Do you ever get tired of me making a fool of you? The question is rhetorical so don't bother answering it.

No surprise with your typical response trying to paint anyone who disagrees with you as a raciest you disgusting pig. When have I ever said anything about Muslim's and God?

I don't fall for your manipulation of facts and B.S. charts that you take from lying liberal websites and increasingly neither is the public. Several posters have pointed out your lies.

Here are facts. There are less people working in the U.S. today than when Obama took office, plain and simple. Obama's Presidency has been a monumental failure and we only have a few months left of it. I don't care how much you try to manipulate facts, the more you do, the more of a fool you make of yourself. You are a joke and everything wrong with America.

Now I have to go back to work to pay for your diety's benefits to those who don't deserve the hard work I do for it. The gig is up.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

Do you ever get tired of me making a fool of you? The question is rhetorical so don't bother answering it.

Ah. Yes. I see. You're talking to the imaginary Riot with the imaginary opinions sitting in the empty chair.



That's right ... truth is lies, and facts are manipulation. Good luck with that! You sound quite a bit unbalanced.

Enjoy your next four Obama years of increasing economic prosperity, good health care, easier opportunity for education, and decreased energy costs.

I was worried about where this country was going, but after the first day of the Dem convention, with the implosion of the Republican Party, I have hope that the adults will retake that party control in four years, and the Dems will continue being aggressively proud of what they have accomplished.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Riot

Get a grip on reality.

I laughed.

Random stuff... Big Run I won't comment on Ms. Flowers except to say doesn't she kinda look like Carol Channing these days?

Re Riot - the conventions... nice the way you talk down to us like we all can't possibly be watching.

Very Obamaesque if you ask me.

Re watching CSPAN?

How is that possible when you are always here??

Originally Posted by pointman

Do you ever get tired of me making a fool of you? The question is rhetorical so don't bother answering it.

No surprise with your typical response trying to paint anyone who disagrees with you as a raciest you disgusting pig. When have I ever said anything about Muslim's and God?

I don't fall for your manipulation of facts and B.S. charts that you take from lying liberal websites and increasingly neither is the public. Several posters have pointed out your lies.

Here are facts. There are less people working in the U.S. today than when Obama took office, plain and simple. Obama's Presidency has been a monumental failure and we only have a few months left of it. I don't care how much you try to manipulate facts, the more you do, the more of a fool you make of yourself. You are a joke and everything wrong with America.

Now I have to go back to work to pay for your diety's benefits to those who don't deserve the hard work I do for it. The gig is up.