Less choice coming for New York City

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Not quite the same. The right to bear arms is enumerated in the Constitution and explicitly stated. Abortion is "deemed" a right because a majority of Justices in 1973 found a "right to privacy" that was not written down in the Constitution, and used that as a basis for another unwritten right.

Also, abortion cannot be used in self-defense like a firearm can. 200 million plus firearms in the country and only the smallest fraction is ever used in a crime.

Every abortion means that a life was snuffed out - many of us see that as murder, regardless of the age of the victim, and regardless that there were no witnesses except the doctor who killed the victim.

separation of church and state is also not explicitly stated.

and many do see it as murder, but many others do not. and much like having the right to bear arms, you don't have to actively participate in a right given you.
so, joey, don't have any abortions. you have every right to your opinions. you do not however have the right to dictate to others based on your opinions. and that's exactly what the supreme court ruled back than. i know many want to have full control over women, but i guess they just don't have that right.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

separation of church and state is also not explicitly stated.

and many do see it as murder, but many others do not. and much like having the right to bear arms, you don't have to actively participate in a right given you.
so, joey, don't have any abortions. you have every right to your opinions. you do not however have the right to dictate to others based on your opinions. and that's exactly what the supreme court ruled back than. i know many want to have full control over women, but i guess they just don't have that right.

Separation of church and state is not an element of the Constitution per se - it comes from a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. Of course nearly all of us agree with that principle.

However, the definition of when life begins is as much an element of science as it is of religion, and conservatism (NOT political conservatism - but just the reserve that goes along with making an important and irrevocable decision) dictates that if there is the slightest possibility that this is a murder, it should not be done. Period.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Separation of church and state is not an element of the Constitution per se - it comes from a letter from Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. Of course nearly all of us agree with that principle.

However, the definition of when life begins is as much an element of science as it is of religion, and conservatism (NOT political conservatism - but just the reserve that goes along with making an important and irrevocable decision) dictates that if there is the slightest possibility that this is a murder, it should not be done. Period.

i know full well where church and state is found-that was my point. it's not explicitly listed in the constitution, along with a lot of other things.

as for when life begins, no one has answered that question. it's your opinion of when it begins, just like i have mine, and others have theirs. i don't want policy like that set based on feeling, emotion or opinion.
don't agree that it should be done, don't do it.

[Danzig]

and joey, i'm not trying to get you to change your mind-that would be impossible.
rather, you just need to understand that not everyone sees things the same way as you.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and joey, i'm not trying to get you to change your mind-that would be impossible.
rather, you just need to understand that not everyone sees things the same way as you.

ding ding ding

[Danzig]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/he...ewanted=1&_r=1


thought i'd put the link up to this article i just read-interesting.

it's on plan b, and apparently it doesn't prevent implantation. and i did like the one comment below that article, that said if men were the ones who had to deal with pregnancy, this stuff would be in every vending machine in the country.

[Danzig]

william saletan speaks out on bloomberg:

http://www.slate.com/articles/health...ing_good_.html