playoffs start in round 2

Originally Posted by King Glorious

That's not fair at all. Media coverage back then was nothing at all like it is now. There was no Twitter, Facebook, Myspace, etc. There wasn't sports talk radio like it is now. There was no "Around the Horn" or "First Take" or any number of the shows ESPN has on seemingly around the clock. Hell, there was no ESPN at all. No NBAtv. It's impossible to compare the two eras.

The other thing is, just as a horse doesn't run any better if the public bets him to 3/5 than he would if he was 10/1, LeBron's abilities and performance level doesn't rise or fall based on the media or the fans. I can start a blog saying that Robert Griffin is going to be the best quarterback in history and break every passing record. My blog won't make him play any better. Mike Krzyzewski once said "never let your success or failure be defined by someone else's expectations." Whether the media and fans fawn all over James or they never say another word about him, that doesn't have anything to do with how good or bad he is.

You want to talk about fairness when you're pretty much completely discrediting team championships having any relation to individual greatness.

I mean fine. You've got a few others on here who agree with you that LeBron is great. He's a phenomenal athlete and that's been apparent since he was a kid. I don't deny that. BUT...he is not a great professional basketball player yet. In my opinion he doesn't have the credentials to be included as of this point. Can he? Of course.

Will he? I seriously doubt it. He's proven time and time again to fold when it matters most. And maybe I'm on a different f.ucking planet than the rest of you but championships matter. Whether it's team or individual.

Nobody outside of swim fans know who the f.uck Ryan Lochte is. Broke Phelps' world record in the 200 I.M. Don't really mean s.hit though unless he does it in London.

Done.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You want to talk about fairness when you're pretty much completely discrediting team championships having any relation to individual greatness.

I mean fine. You've got a few others on here who agree with you that LeBron is great. He's a phenomenal athlete and that's been apparent since he was a kid. I don't deny that. BUT...he is not a great professional basketball player yet. In my opinion he doesn't have the credentials to be included as of this point. Can he? Of course.

Will he? I seriously doubt it. He's proven time and time again to fold when it matters most. And maybe I'm on a different f.ucking planet than the rest of you but championships matter. Whether it's team or individual.

Nobody outside of swim fans know who the f.uck Ryan Lochte is. Broke Phelps' world record in the 200 I.M. Don't really mean s.hit though unless he does it in London.

Done.

Lebron certainly didn't help his reputation last night even after hitting the tying shot. What the hell was that last possession in regulation? Awful...

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Lebron certainly didn't help his reputation last night even after hitting the tying shot. What the hell was that last possession in regulation? Awful...

He doesn't want to shoot when it matters most. Not sure why...because like you said he drained the game tying shot right before that. But he acted like the basketball was on fire the way he got rid of it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

He doesn't want to shoot when it matters most. Not sure why...because like you said he drained the game tying shot right before that. But he acted like the basketball was on fire the way he got rid of it.

Again what was he supposed to do there? When the other team commits 3 guys to you what is the excuse for the other guys standing around? It was an awkward ending but if you watch it again think how is it possible for 4 celtics to be between him and the basket and not a single Heat player is even moving except Chalmers who for some reason was running at him. And the 3 was a far bigger shot than the last second possession. You dont think there is more pressure when you are down by three with 30 seconds to play than when the game is tied? Miss one and the game is probably over, miss the other and you still are playing.

But of course it is LeBron James so all sanity is tossed out the window...

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Again did what was he supposed to do there? When the other team commits 3 guys to you what is the excuse for the other guys standing around? And the 3 was a far bigger shot than the last second possession. You dont think there is more pressure when you are down by three with 30 seconds to play than when the game is tied? Miss one and the game is probably over, miss the other and you still are playing.

But of course it is LeBron James so all sanity is tossed out the window...

He dribbled into traffic like he always does in those spots. The pass was embarrassing. He should study Durant.

Seriously, about what he should do...ANYTHING different than the last 20 times he has been in that spot. I don't give him nearly as much credit for hitting a WIDE OPEN three. He is supposed to make that.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He dribbled into traffic like he always does in those spots. The pass was embarrassing. He should study Durant.

Seriously, about what he should do...ANYTHING different than the last 20 times he has been in that spot. I don't give him nearly as much credit for hitting a WIDE OPEN three. He is supposed to make that.

You have the ball 8 feet behind the three point line with 8 seconds to go. You are defended at the line. Behind that defender is KG looking to be the help defender. At the foul line are two other defenders. The clock is running out. Wade has run out of bounds on the baseline. Battier is a statue. Haslem has faded right to get out of the way. Chalmers is running at you. What exactly are you supposed to do? Shoot a 30 footer? So that you can say that he should have driven?

When the guy makes a shot he is supposed to. When he doesnt he sucks.

[Cannon Shell]

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=320603002

Stop the video at 1:30

You tell me what anybody could do there.

The tell me what an NBA team is doing in a situation like that with a "play" like that.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

When the guy makes a shot he is supposed to. When he doesnt he sucks.

I've never said he sucks, ever. I've called him the best player in the world until very recently. We can drum up all the excuses we want to drum up, but the guy doesn't want to take the big shots at the end. He has proven it time and time and time and time and time again. The one big one I remember him hitting to beat Orlando he had no time to pass. It was an inbound and a heave.

Simple question...does Kobe, Durant, Jordan, Wade, or Bird get a shot off there? If you say no, you are kidding yourself. He is bigger and stronger than all those guys. There were a ton of different things he could do, like posting up instead of getting the ball a mile from the basket. He could drive hard and pull up, which is pretty much unstoppable given his speed and strength. Some of the blame, I guess, should go to the coach, but we all know this is a players league and Lebron has carte blanche to do whatever he wants.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Lebron certainly didn't help his reputation last night even after hitting the tying shot. What the hell was that last possession in regulation? Awful...

What was he supposed to do there? Wade tossed him the ball with 7 seconds on the clock 28 feet from the basket and stood there. When he went right two defenders jumped out at him. Haslem rolled away from the lane, Battier was standing on the far right sideline, Wade left the screen and Chalmers set up 30 feet away from the hoop then rolled toward james.

Garnett was standing right behind Pietrus shadowing James and Chalmers by going at James brought his defender right to him. What would anyone have done there?