Kentucky's ongoing attempt to end racing in state proceeds..

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The trick is coming up with "real evidence". It isn't like trainers have the ability to do a sting operation on the guy in the next barn. They have these 800 numbers at some tracks to call in anyonomous tips but I have never heard of anything ever coming from those. There was a top trainer at Calder that was tossed off (for a while at least) because a groom he had stiffed on a stakes check actually took a picture of him giving a horse a shot. The irony is the groom just wanted to collect his money, he wasnt looking to be a racetrack cop. But even then the track was the one who took action, not the racing commission.

It just seems there would be a lot more disgruntled employees, and it isn't like backstretch workers don't change barns a lot. I'm with you, I have no doubt there is a lot of cheating going on, I'm just mystified how it remains hidden for so long.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

It just seems there would be a lot more disgruntled employees, and it isn't like backstretch workers don't change barns a lot. I'm with you, I have no doubt there is a lot of cheating going on, I'm just mystified how it remains hidden for so long.

probably because of money. only so much probably budgeted for r & d on drug detection.
then there's just how much can you do to someone if they do get caught. look at the appeals processes and the like.
and you have repeat offenders who get more and better horses after a suspension than they did before. you'd have to think if owners were more inclined to try to avoid cheaters they'd just naturally get winnowed out. no clients, no horses, no job. but no, they get people knocking down their doors.
people talk about changing it, but the only attempt i've seen is what's brought about this thread. seems like there'd be other things to tackle than a drug that may or may not improve a horse, that apparently no longer is a masking drug, and actually has medical benefits.
but, lasix is the bad guy and people like biancone, mullins, dutrow, asmussen are doing fine, if not increasing their numbers of horses.

[Riot]

So, there was a veterinary conference held today at the Horse Park in association with Rolex Three Day Event.

FYI - Jeremy Whitman, current President of the Kentucky Association of Equine Practioners, spoke about what he thought would happen with the Kentucky Thoroughbred racing world regarding lasix. He said that, in his opinion, all the last vote did was, "buy thirty days" and delay the inevitable. He predicts the vote to ban lasix will pass next meeting.

The KAEP, along with the AVMA and AAEP, have all been working very hard for the health and welfare of the race horse. It appears those that manage horse racing in Kentucky will go ahead and simply ignore their medical recommendations.

The horse doesn't come first in Kentucky.

[Indian Charlie]

The more that people ignore medical 'experts', the better off everyone and everything will be.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

The more that people ignore medical 'experts', the better off everyone and everything will be.

That's right. I'd go with creationism

There were a bunch of big names there ... head vet for the 2012 Olympics, he's done WEG and Pan Am games before, other big names in equine sports med. A little discussion about FEI and European banned substances, state of testing and drug detection, etc.

The US horse racing world is so behind the cheating other horse sports go with, let alone the testing capabilities. Yes, I mean that the TB world doesn't cheat as well, or as creatively, as other horse sports.

Catching it - it's the funding. And lack of real interest in the racing world to actually do something that matters. Hence: ban the (pretend) evil drug that prevents horses from bleeding into their lungs. Yeah, that's exactly what the sport needs now. But hey! "We did something". Pat selves on back as the sport dies and horses get harmed.

Fools.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's right. I'd go with creationism

There were a bunch of big names there ... head vet for the 2012 Olympics, he's done WEG and Pan Am games before, other big names in equine sports med. A little discussion about FEI and European banned substances, state of testing and drug detection, etc.

The US horse racing world is so behind the cheating other horse sports go with, let alone the testing capabilities. Yes, I mean that the TB world doesn't cheat as well, or as creatively, as other horse sports.

Catching it - it's the funding. And lack of real interest in the racing world to actually do something that matters. Hence: ban the (pretend) evil drug that prevents horses from bleeding into their lungs. Yeah, that's exactly what the sport needs now. But hey! "We did something". Pat selves on back as the sport dies and horses get harmed.

Fools.

It bears repeating.

You have something seriously wrong with your ability to comprehend posts you don't agree with.

What the hell does creationism have to do with avoiding doctors/vets?? Seriously?

The sport will not die if lasix is banned.

[citycat]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

It bears repeating.

You have something seriously wrong with your ability to comprehend posts you don't agree with.

What the hell does creationism have to do with avoiding doctors/vets?? Seriously?

The sport will not die if lasix is banned.

I agree that the sport will not die is Lasix is banned (although I do not think it should be banned) but the real point of the situation is why Kentucky. The sport is currently floundering here in the state with the inpending closure of Turfway and Ellis Parks after this year. There will be many people losing their jobs because of this and the Lasix will just be the final straw. The only way I would support a ban on Lasix if it were to be a nationwide wide and not just another hit to the sport here in Kentucky.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

You have something seriously wrong with your ability to comprehend posts you don't agree with.

What the hell does creationism have to do with avoiding doctors/vets?? Seriously?

.

Wow. It appears that using humor, by deliberately using an opposite metaphor, or deliberate misuse of logical fallacy, is beyond your understanding

Please ... don't lecture on "comprehension" when you can't understand the post you are lecturing about - LOL