Gulf seafood deformities alarm scientists

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

While there is much to be discussed regarding what lead to the failure of Deepwater Horizon, and the management of the disaster, the phrase, "And while the well spewed millions and millions of gallons of oil into the gulf... for 53 days ... before the president could be bothered to interrupt his fund raising/golf outings to appear to give a crap" is a bunch of completely false baloney, and everyone knows it.

The facts are the Feds had personnel on-scene the day after the explosion, and the administration was paying attention from day one.

The ridiculousness of proponents of small government retroactively blaming Obama for the country being dependent upon the well-drilling professionals working with the government for mitigating the disaster, as if our government owned it's own oil-well drilling equipment and employs rig personnel that could have displaced the crews of the well owners and taken over the scene, isn't lost on anyone.

Especially in light of what the investigation of the incident revealed about BP, Halliburton and TransOcean.

And while the mere mention of the ongoing severe consequences of BP, Halliburton and TransOcean's incompetence in drilling this well strangely but predictably produced a rabidly reflexive demonstration of Obama Derangement Syndrome from the usual, as if he were responsible, the facts are that the environmental impact continues.

So if anybody would like to address the subject of the thread, rather than using it as an excuse for another ridiculous outbreak of Obama Derangement Syndrome, have at it.

what is hilarious is Miss "government is the answer for everything" is okay with the government sitting on its hands for this MAJOR incident.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

what is hilarious is Miss "government is the answer for everything" is okay with the government sitting on its hands for this MAJOR incident.

First, no. I don't believe "government is the answer to everything" in the least. Never have.

Secondly, the "government" was there from day one.

What do you think "the government" should have done instead? Borrow Cameron's submersible while Obama went down and fixed the spill himself with his Messiah robe stuffed into the spilling oil?

And again: this thread is not about relitigating what caused Deepwater Horizon.

[Antitrust32]

this thread is about whatever we make of it!

Obama screwed up big time by rejecting Dutch help.. they were offering ships and plans to save environmental destruction 3 days after the spill began. Obama said "thanks but no thanks"

The dutch ships were pretty much the best tool out there for skimming oil and creating berms. Obama said no, until he much later realized he was really really stupid for doing that.


"As of 6 May, the United Nations and 14 countries had offered assistance. The U.S. government declined the offers, with a State Department email to reporters stating "there is no need right now that the U.S. cannot meet." The countries offering help were Canada, Croatia, France, Germany, Iran, Ireland, Mexico, the Netherlands, Norway, Romania, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, and the United Kingdom.[19][20] " - wiki

It wasnt until the middle of June until our government accepted any help. By then the disaster was out of control!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this thread is about whatever we make of it!

Sigh ...

Then I'm sticking with penises on chins

[Antitrust32]

In April 2009, the Obama administration granted BP, a big supporter of Obama, a waiver of environmental regulations. But after the oil spill, it blocked Louisiana from protecting its coastline against the oil spill by delaying rather than expediting regulatory approval of essential protective measures. It has also chosen not to use what has been described as “the most effective method” of fighting the spill, a method successfully used in other oil spills. Democratic strategist James Carville called Obama’s handling of the oil spill “lackadaisical” and “unbelievable” in its “stupidity.”



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[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sigh ...

Then I'm sticking with penises on chins

i'm impressed you managed to avoid any response about the proof I offered of Obama's extremely terrible managment of the oil spill!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i'm impressed you managed to avoid any response about the proof I offered of Obama's extremely terrible managment of the oil spill!

I agree the spill could have been managed better on the oil companies end, and perhaps the goverment could have done more, but Obama wasn't personally responsible for turning the valve and cutting off the flow, was he? I would hardly call the government's response "terrible".

Should he have accepted oil skimmer offers to help mitigate the damage? Sure.

My point was that to say the government, especially Obama, ignored the spill and didn't appear to give a darn for 53 days, is unfairly and completely false - the government was on the scene at day one.

Words have meaning, and those words do not talk about the quality of the response by BP/Halliburton/TransOcean, nor their inability to cut off their well, nor the governments participation, they say there was no government response. That's ridiculous and not true, even if taken as the superficial ODS snark it was intended to be.

In retrospect it's easy to say "something more should have been done". As the oil companies have the physical workers and equipment, what could that have been? Scream louder and more frequently at them for not being able to cut the spill off? For taking shortcuts and causing the spill in the first place?

That's already been litigated to death. And when Deepwater Horizon is mentioned, the very first thing - or second or fifth thing - that comes to mind about the response and the entire incident is not, "Obama sucks".

The question for me is what should be done now, that we are seeing evidence that the dispersant used by the oil companies (the one they refused to identify) has harmed Gulf wildlife.

[Antitrust32]

I dont know what should be done now. I was very worried about the chemicals they were dumping in the gulf back when it was going on. I didnt think oil sinking to the bottom of the ocean was a very good thing.

You're the scientist.. what are your thoughts? (sorry couldnt resist)



All I know is what I can do... and that is eat seafood that comes from East of where I live, not West!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

While there is much to be discussed regarding what lead to the failure of Deepwater Horizon, and the management of the disaster, the phrase, "And while the well spewed millions and millions of gallons of oil into the gulf... for 53 days ... before the president could be bothered to interrupt his fund raising/golf outings to appear to give a crap" is a bunch of completely false baloney, and everyone knows it.

your way wrong again..i live here and trust me the gov and obama were not in anyway pro active. they were more into placing blame and not helping out as far as support/ships navy vessles diving equipment ect.it was all done by bp.shamefull.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

what is hilarious is Miss "government is the answer for everything" is okay with the government sitting on its hands for this MAJOR incident.

Right, the Bushes were in New Orleans at the height of Katrina..