The Affordable Care Act - this is what is in it

[Danzig]

http://news.yahoo.com/cbo-obamacare-...163500655.html

"President Obama's healthcare reform law coverage provisions will cost less but cover fewer people than first thought," the Hill reported, considering data from the CBO's Tuesday report. Revised estimates of ObamaCare's coverage provisions indicate that 2 million fewer people will acquire coverage by 2016.


Moreover, the CBO estimates that 4 million Americans will lose their employer-sponsored health plans by 2016, a far cry from the 1-million-person figure forecasted last year. Further yet, 1 million to 2 million fewer people will be granted access to the federally-subsidized healthcare exchanges, while an additional 1 million are estimated to qualify for Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Provision.



just like i said in another thread a few weeks ago...the numbers they used to come up with the price were cooked so as to bring the original bill in under a trillion dollars, which was congresses 'magic number' to assure passage. many said they wouldn't vote for ppUca if the price was over a trillion.
now, it's going to cost more, while covering less. sounds like typical d.c. politics as usual.
there have been estimates that as high as six million would lose employee health insurance. they're already quadrupled from 1 million to 4 million-does anyone doubt more will be added?

and another million added to medicaid, on top of the almost doubling of current rolls. states already struggling to pay medicaid, what will they do when costs double to go along with the number of people on medicaid doubling?

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[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

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Riot - You want to defend this convoluted system? Go right ahead.

We will flush this thing down the crapper - one way or another - repeal, executive order and waiver - or supreme court.

If we fail, the U.S Government going out of business will do the job.

It is unsustainable and an utterly stupid idea, unworthy even of the president and his party that rammed it through.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Riot - You want to defend this convoluted system? Go right ahead.

If you mean, by "convoluted system", the Affordable Care Act? Yes, I have. It's a good start for this country. Now that it's been law for two years, and so many people, including you, are benefiting, it's proven to be a good thing. Which is why Mitch McConnell is not going forward to try and repeal it.

The ACA is not as good as the healthcare systems other countries have, with better healthcare and lower costs, but it's a start.

We will flush this thing down the crapper - one way or another - repeal, executive order and waiver - or supreme court.

Actually, "we" will defend our right to better and more affordable healthcare

There are only a limited number of legal ways to repeal laws in this country. We don't have dictators who can rule by fiat and simply make laws passed by our Congress go away.

If the Supreme Court finds the mandate unconstitutional (not likely due to Roberts previous rulings, and the long existence in Romney's state, etc) the rest of the law still stands.

If we fail, the U.S Government going out of business will do the job.

Why do you think the ACA will make the US government go out of business? You mean we'll cease to exist? That's a rather hyperbolic statement, no?

It is unsustainable and an utterly stupid idea, unworthy even of the president and his party that rammed it through.

Actually, the CBO has scored the ACA as paying for itself, and it's a near duplicate of the Republican healthcare reform idea that the Republicans in Congress wanted to pass in the 1990's.

And this law was passed by both the House and the Senate. It was passed legally and democratically, with your elected officials voting upon it.

The idea of the individual mandate, of making everyone responsible for themselves, was a pure Republican idea. Not from the Democratic party in the least.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://news.yahoo.com/cbo-obamacare-...163500655.html

"President Obama's healthcare reform law coverage provisions will cost less but cover fewer people than first thought," the Hill reported, considering data from the CBO's Tuesday report. Revised estimates of ObamaCare's coverage provisions indicate that 2 million fewer people will acquire coverage by 2016.


Moreover, the CBO estimates that 4 million Americans will lose their employer-sponsored health plans by 2016, a far cry from the 1-million-person figure forecasted last year. Further yet, 1 million to 2 million fewer people will be granted access to the federally-subsidized healthcare exchanges, while an additional 1 million are estimated to qualify for Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Provision.



just like i said in another thread a few weeks ago...the numbers they used to come up with the price were cooked so as to bring the original bill in under a trillion dollars, which was congresses 'magic number' to assure passage. many said they wouldn't vote for ppUca if the price was over a trillion.
now, it's going to cost more, while covering less. sounds like typical d.c. politics as usual.
there have been estimates that as high as six million would lose employee health insurance. they're already quadrupled from 1 million to 4 million-does anyone doubt more will be added?

and another million added to medicaid, on top of the almost doubling of current rolls. states already struggling to pay medicaid, what will they do when costs double to go along with the number of people on medicaid doubling?

this terrible bill must be repealed

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this terrible bill must be repealed

there had to be a better way to get insurance coverage to the people who weren't currently covered, without jacking with everyone else. it is an awful, fubar law.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this terrible bill must be repealed

Mitch McConnell doesn't even want it repealed and isn't going to try. There's no need to, and they literally cannot do so now. People have already received most of the ACA benefits, and the GOP can't kick hundreds of thousands of people off insurance and increase their costs.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Mitch McConnell doesn't even want it repealed and isn't going to try. There's no need to, and they literally cannot do so now. People have already received most of the ACA benefits, and the GOP can't kick hundreds of thousands of people off insurance and increase their costs.

Dopey, there are $1.76 trillion reasons to repeal; all in dollars.

Plus preservation of the constitution!

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i expect the supreme court to knock it down.