Over 1 Million signatures obtained to recall WI Gov. Scott Walker

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's because Wiphan is full of nonsense. It's ridiculous, and hilarious. The number of straw men alone sets a new record.

Face it: the signatures are publicly available on the internet. If any of the nonsense about allegations of massive "fraud" the Walker minions were saying was true, it would be easily provable by them.

Yet ... they keep saying it, without proving it.

And when you ask them to prove it, they change the subject.

We're waiting, and I'm sure we'll keep waiting until after Walker is recalled. And after the recall election, they will still be complaining of "massive fraud", because it makes them feel better than realizing the person they voted for is a failure who is undergoing a historic recall.

I've read the back and forth and it's you that seems to be pulling **** from left field.

wiphan is saying that there are 800k signatures, not 1 million. 200k is a massive difference and if correct, its manipulative for the media to say there are 1 million signatures.

That's what he's been saying. I have no idea what you have been going on and on about.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I've read the back and forth and it's you that seems to be pulling **** from left field.

wiphan is saying that there are 800k signatures, not 1 million. 200k is a massive difference and if correct, its manipulative for the media to say there are 1 million signatures.

That's what he's been saying. I have no idea what you have been going on and on about.

No, Wiphan is making allegations of massive fraud in the signature collection process, an allegation that he has so far has completely failed to prove.

You're off on one of the straw man tangents he's using to distract from that.

Tell us, Wiphan: out of all the signatures collected for Walker, what is the actual number of signatures collected, and what is the actual number of signatures that have been disallowed as invalid? Please list both "Walker" numbers, and GAB numbers.

Because your whole argument is that there is a huge difference between those two numbers. So tell us what those numbers are. Or stop making unproven allegations of "massive fraud".

(you call any false signature "fraud", which is baloney. Signatures can be disallowed for not having an address, etc. which means there is a greater chance, over just "fraud", to disallow signatures)

[Antitrust32]

from what I gather.. it seems like wiphan readily admits there are enough signatures to force a recall.

What he does not believe... is that there are 1 million valid signatures.

I think its simple enough to understand what he's been saying and that there is no straw, tin, or lions involved.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

from what I gather.. it seems like wiphan readily admits there are enough signatures to force a recall.

That's not the point, and nobody has disputed that. Wiphan is making wild allegations that - over and above the valid signatures collected for recall - that leaves, and there actually are, up to a half-million of possible fraudulent signatures.

So Wiphan - any proof of that? At all?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not the point, and nobody has disputed that. Wiphan is making wild allegations that there are up to a half-million of possible fraudulent signatures.

So Wiphan - any proof of that? At all?

who is making things up out of thin air. I don't even know how to respond to your above comments. Please find where I said 500,000 + signatures are fraudlent

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

who is making things up out of thin air. I don't even know how to respond to your above comments. Please find where I said 500,000 + signatures are fraudlent

Dear god, that's not what I wrote, is it? Try re-reading that.

Let's try again, without your two pages of straw men and subject changes:

You said: "It isn't 1 million signatures and a lot of there is some fraud."

So put up or shut up: what are those numbers? How many signatures were collected? What percentage have been found to be fraud?

For two pages, I've been asking you to support your allegation, and you've made many excuses for not having to do so, and changed the subject many times.

Just give us the numbers that support your allegation, please. Or stop making it.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

from what I gather.. it seems like wiphan readily admits there are enough signatures to force a recall.

What he does not believe... is that there are 1 million valid signatures.

I think its simple enough to understand what he's been saying.

Thanks for helping to clarify this for Riot.

I think the recall will be good. If Walker wins Again then WI will move forward and we can finally be done with all of this bs. If Walker loses then the democrats will have to take responsibility for any actions they take.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Thanks for helping to clarify this for Riot.

But that's not what you said. You said there is massive fraud among those signatures. Nobody is saying there are not enough valid signatures remaining to force a recall.

So tell us: out of all the signatures collected for Walker, what is the actual number of signatures collected, and what is the actual number of signatures that have been disallowed as invalid?

Please list both "Walker" numbers (how many they have counted as "fraudulent"), and GAB numbers of disallowed signatures.

Because your whole argument is that there is a huge difference between those two numbers. And you know there is massive fraud. That means you have actual numbers. So tell us what those numbers are. Or stop making unproven allegations of "massive fraud".

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

But that's not what you said. You said there is massive fraud among those signatures. Nobody is saying there are not enough valid signatures remaining to force a recall.

So tell us: out of all the signatures collected for Walker, what is the actual number of signatures collected, and what is the actual number of signatures that have been disallowed as invalid?

Please list both "Walker" numbers (how many they have counted as "fraudulent"), and GAB numbers of disallowed signatures.

Because your whole argument is that there is a huge difference between those two numbers. And you know there is massive fraud. That means you have actual numbers. So tell us what those numbers are. Or stop making unproven allegations of "massive fraud".

Again you missed my point. I do not know how many actual signatures were really submitted. I am willing to wager it is less than 1 million and closer to 800k. That is what I said.

As far as fraud- there are many duplicate signatures (check the forms yourself), illegible, out of state, fraudlent (one family member signing for the entire household) but there are not nearly enough to avoid the recall. For you when I said some fraud that became 500k+ signatures. I guess I understand your accounting system.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Again you missed my point. I do not know how many actual signatures were really submitted. I am willing to wager it is less than 1 million and closer to 800k. That is what I said.

As far as fraud- there are many duplicate signatures (check the forms yourself), illegible, out of state, fraudlent (one family member signing for the entire household) but there are not nearly enough to avoid the recall. For you when I said some fraud that became 500k+ signatures. I guess I understand your accounting system.

I guess you'd better stop making false accusations of "alot of fraud". Because you've been able to provide zero evidence of any fraud, other than "check the forms yourself".