2/26 (GP): Fountain of Youth S., Mac Diamida S. (G2's)

[Indian Charlie]

I thought the Flower Alley horse from the rail ran a nice race in the FOY.

That horse gets no respect at the windows.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I thought the Flower Alley horse from the rail ran a nice race in the FOY.

That horse gets no respect at the windows.

I like him too. Had plenty of early trouble to recover from. Was eager inside & with the blinks. Anxious to hear what Wilkes says.

[Kasept]

At first glance, it looks like Union Rags finished up in :30.1..

[El Padrino]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye6ux...layer_embedded

[citycat]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I like him too. Had plenty of early trouble to recover from. Was eager inside & with the blinks. Anxious to hear what Wilkes says.

He was actually my pick for the race but when he got pinched on the first turn its usually over with this caliber of horses. I thoght he recovered nicely. Do you think a Flower Alley can get the Derby distance?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by citycat

He was actually my pick for the race but when he got pinched on the first turn its usually over with this caliber of horses. I thoght he recovered nicely. Do you think a Flower Alley can get the Derby distance?

First, my own leanings say sires deliver speed, dams stamina. But Flower Alley himself won a Travers, so 10f was within his own grasp. Neck 'n Neck is out of Mr. Miles' own homebred Storm Boot mare Bootery who was a $100k earning miler that Wilkes trained. Her dam was by Runaway Groom and further back the female family is loaded with stamina influences including Broad Brush, Roberto and Sea Bird. If Flower Alley has any disposition to get classic distance route-goers, this family should have what he needs to bring it out.

[Kasept]

Union Rags 95

Arm Force 79
Politicallycorrect 83

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Who, or what, is the source of your leanings?

i've read that thought for years, i thought it was just something that had been a part of breeding beliefs for some time?

speed on top, stamina on the bottom.

[Travis Stone]

I read a few times where it it's supposed to be distance/surface on top, and quality/class on bottom.

[Calzone Lord]

There's a whole lot of nonsense associated with pedigree -- and it has been exactly that way in American racing for at least 100 years...I know this because I've read several lengthy columns from 'Salvator' and Vosburgh where they would have fun mocking the theorists of the day.

There is big money in breeding horses. There is also big money in yearling sales...and few things to go on outside of looks, confirmation, and pedigree.

When analyzing pedigree - there are three and a half things I study.

The Sire's offspring, the Dam's racing record, the dam's produce and racing record of her produce, and the up-close tail female family (in that order)

Those are the angles to study and look for preferences and clues.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I read a few times where it it's supposed to be distance/surface on top, and quality/class on bottom.

All of this stuff about males giving some traits and females others seems pretty ridiculous to me.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Who, or what, is the source of your leanings?

The usual breeding practice/pedigree sources as Doug mentions like Hervey ("Salvator"), W.H.P. Robertson, Col. Wall, Shipman and Hatton in the American Racing Manuals, more recent writings like Ed Bowen's Matriarchs/Dynasties/Legacies, Edwin Anthony's new The American Thoroughbred, etc..