Penn State

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by satan's twin

It is absolutely incredible to read the stupid sh*t that gets posted here thread after thread, be it from the resident warlock who thinks it's premature to dismiss that criminally aiding and abetting head coach without "due process" or the PSU parent who suggests another poster is making "douchebag comments" for labeling this diaper-clad turd a criminal or others who see the student pep rallies in front of the criminal coach's home in a show of support as nothing other than "silly".

"SILLY"? Are you out of your f*cking mind? Those privileged dolts parading in front of Paterno's home don't have the balls or the brains to confront that reptile the way he should have been confronted. Holding a pep rally for 'Good Old Joe"? How about going there with torches and a noose.

First, the 28 year old twit who sees this monster raping a child in the shower runs away from the locker. What a f*cking hero. He should have bludgeoned the prick in the shower. No, he is so distraught, he calls his dad for advice, who's first concern is to call the head coach ?????????? Of course. It wouldn't dawn on you to call the police either while this was happening or THE NEXT DAY. And what, they don't have a 911 service in Pennsylvania? No problem, though. The coach will know what to do. He will call the police............or maybe not. Let's call our bosses instead. Somehow these PhD's, these administrators of higher learning, these arbiters of justice, interpret rape as "horseplay". They really had no other choice. If they would have done the right thing, they would have jeopardized the cash cow and all of its glorious athletic achievements. This gutless triumverate couldn't possibly make a more dishonorable decision in a hundred years..............unless they bury this incident and look the other way and make the rapist a "professor emeritus" and give him the keys and unfettered access to his house of horrors dungeon for the next ten years.
And one of the "tough" questions at today's news conference for the new zookeeper..........."Will Coach McCreary be on the sidelines or in the pressbox on Saturday?"..........................I've got a suggestion. How about in a jail cell with his pants around his ankles while he's tethered to the bed with a rather excited 350 lb. bull lifer behind him looking like the State of Pennsylvania just delivered his Christmas present a little early.

That piece of sh*t Paterno knew exactly who that monster on his staff was. He made him the assistant head coach. Sandusky was the heir apparent to the program. Paterno ran a program where the ranks were closed. He knew every detail about his program back in his pre-senility days. That freak on his staff didn't start diddling kids in the shower all of a sudden. Sandusky started his pedophile recruitment foundation in 1977. In 1998, the first formal complaint was filed with the police even though rumors about this bastard were raised four years earlier. Suddenly, a year later, Ol Joe had a change of heart and Sandusky was told he wouldn't be the next head coach. Probably because even an arrogant old f*ck like Paterno knows that "Head Coach/ Pedophile" doesn't look all that appealing on a business card, either to the Friends of the Program or to blue-chip recruits. Instead of handing him over on a platter to the authorities, he orchestrated his sideway advancement to professor emeritus with all the privileges and benefits. Unfortunately, this creep thought benefits included all the innocent childred he could possibly devour.

Why didn't JoPa throw this animal under the bus and drive it over him? I'm guessing in time we are going to find out that Ol' Joe was as dirty as every other football coach in America and creepy Uncle Jerry Sandusky knew every ugly detail and where every ugly skeleton was buried. Why else would a human being with a pulse allow a diseased predator to exit in his midst unless the predator could blackmail him for his indiscretions?

And all this for a football program?

Gee Satan's Twin, tell us how you really feel. I actually agree with many of your points, where I differ is that I do believe in due process and you are assuming a lot seems to me. Does Sandusky have dirt on Paterno? Perhaps but while that makes some intuitive sense it's a long way from fact. The chief complaint I have is that everyone seems so willing to accept that McCreary told Paterno the same thing he told the grand jury...this from a guy who walks into a scene where a young boy is being savaged by an old man and instead of stopping the child's torment, he turns and runs away. Is this a man of virtue and character, a man who years later tries to make himself into some sort of a hero in front of a grand jury? There is no defense for what Sandusky did and no defense for those involved in the coverup which allowed this animal to continue torturing kids, I just would like to see a little solid evidence that Paterno's motive was to participate in the coverup. All in all, now that it's done, PSU probably had no choice but to terminate Paterno's employment but it just adds to the foul taste in my mouth. I agree that the students rioting are clueless and should face prosecution where warranted. Finally, name calling does not advance your position...and I'm a witch, not a warlock...which is a negative term to us.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Gee Satan's Twin, tell us how you really feel. I actually agree with many of your points, where I differ is that I do believe in due process and you are assuming a lot seems to me. Does Sandusky have dirt on Paterno? Perhaps but while that makes some intuitive sense it's a long way from fact. The chief complaint I have is that everyone seems so willing to accept that McCreary told Paterno the same thing he told the grand jury...this from a guy who walks into a scene where a young boy is being savaged by an old man and instead of stopping the child's torment, he turns and runs away. Is this a man of virtue and character, a man who years later tries to make himself into some sort of a hero in front of a grand jury? There is no defense for what Sandusky did and no defense for those involved in the coverup which allowed this animal to continue torturing kids, I just would like to see a little solid evidence that Paterno's motive was to participate in the coverup. All in all, now that it's done, PSU probably had no choice but to terminate Paterno's employment but it just adds to the foul taste in my mouth. I agree that the students rioting are clueless and should face prosecution where warranted. Finally, name calling does not advance your position...and I'm a witch, not a warlock...which is a negative term to us.

Satan's Dumb Ass is just like all the rest of the virtual bad men here.




And women.












Oh boy.


Its hard to ignore the big brave know everythings.


Were you busy?


I'm so sorry.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by clyde

Satan's Dumb Ass is just like all the rest of the virtual bad men here.




And women.












Oh boy.


Its hard to ignore the big brave know everythings.


Were you busy?


I'm so sorry.

No, just trying to avoid being caught up in this debate, it is a passionate subject and I understand why folks are angry...hell, I am too! But I just think that too often these things turn into lynch mobs and sometimes innocent folks get caught up in the mess. The concept of due process exists for good reason and as an old coot who remembers first hand days when some folks were not afforded same, in fact the term lynch mob was more than just a figure of speech, I can't help but wish that we wouldn't crucify folks in the arena of public opinion prior to knowing the truth.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

No, just trying to avoid being caught up in this debate, it is a passionate subject and I understand why folks are angry...hell, I am too! But I just think that too often these things turn into lynch mobs and sometimes innocent folks get caught up in the mess. The concept of due process exists for good reason and as an old coot who remembers first hand days when some folks were not afforded same, in fact the term lynch mob was more than just a figure of speech, I can't help but wish that we wouldn't crucify folks in the arena of public opinion prior to knowing the truth.

I do follow you...public opinion blows.



They want to play like they know everything and how oh so tough they are...and certainly THEY would report Johnny on the spot if they were in a similar situation.

I don't believe it.

I'm honest enough to say I am not sure what I would do...given a similar situtation.



The rest is just them dropping their i-net puds on the table.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by clyde

I do follow you...public opinion blows.



They want to play like they know everything and how oh so tough they are...and certainly THEY would report Johnny on the spot if they were in a similar situation.

I don't believe it.

I'm honest enough to say I am not sure what I would do...given a similar situtation.



The rest is just them dropping their i-net puds on the table.

Touchy-touchy

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Touchy-touchy

Tracky Bratty

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by clyde

I do follow you...public opinion blows.



They want to play like they know everything and how oh so tough they are...and certainly THEY would report Johnny on the spot if they were in a similar situation.

I don't believe it.

I'm honest enough to say I am not sure what I would do...given a similar situtation.



The rest is just them dropping their i-net puds on the table.

i won't bore you with the sordid details of my youth; but suffice it to say, that i can relate to the victims all too well, and would most definitely not stand idly by. i can't answer for others here, but i do know me.
people say 'walk a mile first'...some of us have.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i won't bore you with the sordid details of my youth; but suffice it to say, that i can relate to the victims all too well, and would most definitely not stand idly by. i can't answer for others here, but i do know me.
people say 'walk a mile first'...some of us have.

No you haven't...not until Tony is confronted with the same problem....and he wants you to tell him what to do.



Report to the police...and get fired and be blackballed?




No more ATM card 4 u.

[Danzig]

i'll just chalk your comments up to not knowing my husband nearly as well as i do. he wouldn't take time to call and ask me what to do, he'd already know what to do.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by clyde

No you haven't...not until Tony is confronted with the same problem....and he wants you to tell him what to do.



Report to the police...and get fired and be blackballed?




No more ATM card 4 u.

If you get fired for reporting a crime like this then I would think you would never have to work again after winning massive lawsuit. This isn't Doctor Patient confidentiality that is being breached.

[satan's twin]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Gee Satan's Twin, tell us how you really feel. I actually agree with many of your points, where I differ is that I do believe in due process and you are assuming a lot seems to me. Does Sandusky have dirt on Paterno? Perhaps but while that makes some intuitive sense it's a long way from fact. The chief complaint I have is that everyone seems so willing to accept that McCreary told Paterno the same thing he told the grand jury...this from a guy who walks into a scene where a young boy is being savaged by an old man and instead of stopping the child's torment, he turns and runs away. Is this a man of virtue and character, a man who years later tries to make himself into some sort of a hero in front of a grand jury? There is no defense for what Sandusky did and no defense for those involved in the coverup which allowed this animal to continue torturing kids, I just would like to see a little solid evidence that Paterno's motive was to participate in the coverup. All in all, now that it's done, PSU probably had no choice but to terminate Paterno's employment but it just adds to the foul taste in my mouth. I agree that the students rioting are clueless and should face prosecution where warranted. Finally, name calling does not advance your position...and I'm a witch, not a warlock...which is a negative term to us.

Somer--First of all, sorry about the witch/warlock mix-up. My bad. Just go ahead and deduct two bolts of fire and three demonic curses from my paycheck this week for that one.

I don't advocate the suspension of due process for anyone. I do think that the application of logic and common sense are enough to listen to evidence and pass judgment in a grand jury. That was done in this case and the results were released to the public. Based on that evidence, it was clear Paterno heard before anyone a despondent graduate assistant give an eye-witness account to him of a rape he witnessed less than a day before in the locker room, of a child, by the assistant head coach of Penn State. And based on what he heard that gutless creep chose not to call the police, as mandated by federal law, Instead, he put "his legacy", his self-interest, ahead of everything. The two sheep who,technically, sat in positions of authority over Paterno, then orchestrated a cover-up of the crime by labeling it "horseplay" and then lied to law enforcement officials about what they heard and what they knew. In fact, Paterno was, perhaps, the most revered person in the state and arguably, one of the most powerful. As we now know, neither of these eunichs had the moral compass to do the right thing. They swept the crime under the rug, kept a monster in place to commit despicable acts for another decade and, thank god, didn't ruffle the feathers of a great man and his legendary program.

Whether McCreary told Paterno a less damning version of events than the one he told the grand jury is irrelevant. Paterno already knew who Sandusky was. There were other reports about his actions before this one. Forget the allegations of rape. Who in their right mind would keep an employee on his staff who was known to take showers with little boys in the locker room? On top of that, this jerk let Sandusky parade a litany of young boys around his locker rooms for years knowing full well each of those boys was probably a victim of unspeakable acts by the twisted f*ck that he allowed to stand next to them.

It's be-witching to me that you would think I am jumping to conclusions in this case. When you're sitting over your cauldron tonight boiling a tasty pot of newts eyes, read the grand jury report for this case. I'll bet you get so damn mad after you finish reading it, you'll put a nasty hex on JoePa.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by satan's twin

Somer--First of all, sorry about the witch/warlock mix-up. My bad. Just go ahead and deduct two bolts of fire and three demonic curses from my paycheck this week for that one.

I don't advocate the suspension of due process for anyone. I do think that the application of logic and common sense are enough to listen to evidence and pass judgment in a grand jury. That was done in this case and the results were released to the public. Based on that evidence, it was clear Paterno heard before anyone a despondent graduate assistant give an eye-witness account to him of a rape he witnessed less than a day before in the locker room, of a child, by the assistant head coach of Penn State. And based on what he heard that gutless creep chose not to call the police, as mandated by federal law, Instead, he put "his legacy", his self-interest, ahead of everything. The two sheep who,technically, sat in positions of authority over Paterno, then orchestrated a cover-up of the crime by labeling it "horseplay" and then lied to law enforcement officials about what they heard and what they knew. In fact, Paterno was, perhaps, the most revered person in the state and arguably, one of the most powerful. As we now know, neither of these eunichs had the moral compass to do the right thing. They swept the crime under the rug, kept a monster in place to commit despicable acts for another decade and, thank god, didn't ruffle the feathers of a great man and his legendary program.

Whether McCreary told Paterno a less damning version of events than the one he told the grand jury is irrelevant. Paterno already knew who Sandusky was. There were other reports about his actions before this one. Forget the allegations of rape. Who in their right mind would keep an employee on his staff who was known to take showers with little boys in the locker room? On top of that, this jerk let Sandusky parade a litany of young boys around his locker rooms for years knowing full well each of those boys was probably a victim of unspeakable acts by the twisted f*ck that he allowed to stand next to them.

It's be-witching to me that you would think I am jumping to conclusions in this case. When you're sitting over your cauldron tonight boiling a tasty pot of newts eyes, read the grand jury report for this case. I'll bet you get so damn mad after you finish reading it, you'll put a nasty hex on JoePa.

Satan's Twin, there are times that I wish we had supernatural powers like depicted on TV and in the movies, sure would come in handy. Seriously though, I have read the grand jury's report and yes...it made me sick. While it contains plenty of details regarding Sandusky's sick behavior, it really doesn't address what McCreary actually told Paterno and I admit we may never know. But I have a hard time believing a coward like McCreary went into the graphic detail that he expressed to the grand jury when talking to Paterno. Perhaps he did, and perhaps Paterno watered it down from there but if I've learned anything in my life it's that leopards don't change their spots...we know what kind of a man McCreary is from his own admission...he's a coward who ran away from a helpless child being brutalized. Paterno in 60 plus years always conducted himself with integrity and insisted on a clean program...did he do a complete about face in this case? Not saying he didn't but I sure would like to see some indication that he did if so. I agree that given the time span and prior reports that Sandusky was a pervert, it's fair to ask how Paterno didn't know, and it's even more troubling that Sandusky remained on campus right under Paterno's nose after this incident...these are valid questions but I'm not sure we know the answers. In any event, it's all moot now, PSU took the action they did and Paterno is out.....and I'm fresh out of chicken legs and newt eyes so I can't bring a plague down on anyone!

[Danzig]

"Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary will miss Saturday's game against Nebraska after the school said he received "multiple threats.""

[jms62]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Satan's Twin, there are times that I wish we had supernatural powers like depicted on TV and in the movies, sure would come in handy. Seriously though, I have read the grand jury's report and yes...it made me sick. While it contains plenty of details regarding Sandusky's sick behavior, it really doesn't address what McCreary actually told Paterno and I admit we may never know. But I have a hard time believing a coward like McCreary went into the graphic detail that he expressed to the grand jury when talking to Paterno. Perhaps he did, and perhaps Paterno watered it down from there but if I've learned anything in my life it's that leopards don't change their spots...we know what kind of a man McCreary is from his own admission...he's a coward who ran away from a helpless child being brutalized. Paterno in 60 plus years always conducted himself with integrity and insisted on a clean program...did he do a complete about face in this case? Not saying he didn't but I sure would like to see some indication that he did if so. I agree that given the time span and prior reports that Sandusky was a pervert, it's fair to ask how Paterno didn't know, and it's even more troubling that Sandusky remained on campus right under Paterno's nose after this incident...these are valid questions but I'm not sure we know the answers. In any event, it's all moot now, PSU took the action they did and Paterno is out.....and I'm fresh out of chicken legs and newt eyes so I can't bring a plague down on anyone!

I would wait until all the FACTS come out. Just becuase you haven't been caught doesn't mean you are clean.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by jms62

I would wait until all the FACTS come out. Just becuase you haven't been caught doesn't mean you are clean.

I agree.