Lawyer Ron, his works

Just thought I would point out that since receiving LR, Pletcher has worked him three times and none are the speed crazy bullets he was firing before.

[Pointg5]

I saw that as well, it will be interesting to see his next start...

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah but I thought Pletcher had no real talent and was handed clients when he went out on his own

You are absolutely right, hes just really lucky.

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I saw that as well, it will be interesting to see his next start...

You noticed that also?
I was wondering what the bleeding hearts who said noone was to blame for his rankness are right about now.
The first step in getting a horse to relax in the afternoon is to get him to relax in the morning. It appears they are doing just that. So the bleeding hearts can cry me a river.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by oracle80

You noticed that also?
I was wondering what the bleeding hearts who said noone was to blame for his rankness are right about now.
The first step in getting a horse to relax in the afternoon is to get him to relax in the morning. It appears they are doing just that. So the bleeding hearts can cry me a river.

I read the article on Bloodhorse, they were talking about Premium Tap's work and it looked like he and LR worked on the same day, there was a significant difference in time. That might be a bad thing, but we all know LR can roll, so I took it as a positive...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I read the article on Bloodhorse, they were talking about Premium Tap's work and it looked like he and LR worked on the same day, there was a significant difference in time. That might be a bad thing, but we all know LR can roll, so I took it as a positive...

Of course its a postitive. Once you know a horse has speed you don't need to impress the clockers every 7 days and show everyone how fast your horse is. You want controlled energy with even 8th's and a strong gallop out so that the horse knows he's supposed to finish.
I guess I brought it up because the notion that his rankness couldn't be dealt with appears to be a fallacy.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Yeah but I thought Pletcher had no real talent and was handed clients when he went out on his own

The funniest thing Hoss is that when Pletcher gets horses and they win or improve all the nitwits can't wait to accuse him of cheating. They don't seem to understand things like a change up in work patterns and conditioning, as if those things make absolutely no difference.

[Pointg5]

I think he still has some upside, he wasn't spotted that well, until the beginning of the year, then by that time he had run alot. His sheet #'s weren't bad and with the break and trainer change, I think he can improve. I don't like him in the Classic, but he's a board threat if he goes...Pletcher might not have a say, but I would think he would rather run in the Clark...

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I think he still has some upside, he wasn't spotted that well, until the beginning of the year, then by that time he had run alot. His sheet #'s weren't bad and with the break and trainer change, I think he can improve. I don't like him in the Classic, but he's a board threat if he goes...Pletcher might not have a say, but I would think he would rather run in the Clark...

He could be a great four year old.

[paisjpq]

Mike can you post his numbers...he's not on my list. I'm no fan of LR but if he's 'learning' then he deserves a look.

[Pointg5]

Is that a cattle dog in your avatar?

[Danzig]

looks like a corgi to me

Originally Posted by paisjpq

Mike can you post his numbers...he's not on my list. I'm no fan of LR but if he's 'learning' then he deserves a look.

I think hes learning, and also being taught. The lack of respect Todd gets as a conditioner even after all he's done is incredible to me.

Pre Pletcher works:
August 19th CD 5f 59:1 1/20
September 9th CD 6f 1:11 1/1
September 16th CD 5f 59:3 1/34

Post Pletcher works:
October 9th Bel 4f 48 4/41
October 16th Bel 5f 1:01:4 6/11
October 22nd Bel 5f 1:01:1 11/79

You make the call.

[Pointg5]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

looks like a corgi to me

I think you are right...

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by oracle80

I think hes learning, and also being taught. The lack of respect Todd gets as a conditioner even after all he's done is incredible to me.

Pre Pletcher works:
August 19th CD 5f 59:1 1/20
September 9th CD 6f 1:11 1/1
September 16th CD 5f 59:3 1/34

Post Pletcher works:
October 9th Bel 4f 48 4/41
October 16th Bel 5f 1:01:4 6/11
October 22nd Bel 5f 1:01:1 11/79

You make the call.

no disrespect to Todd...I just don't really like the horse. Thanks for the #'s looks like he's makin' some changes...I hope they don't translate to BC day b'cause I'm still not using him

Originally Posted by paisjpq

no disrespect to Todd...I just don't really like the horse. Thanks for the #'s looks like he's makin' some changes...I hope they don't translate to BC day b'cause I'm still not using him

Thats fine but the bleeding hearts screaming that the owner was wrong to change things up with a rank horse who wasn't finishing really should examine the ATTEMPT that the new guys is making and consider if their remarks were ill advised.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

I think you are right...

very nice, very cute dogs. hard workers. hard to believe with those short legs that they are working dogs, and love to be kept busy.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Thats fine but the bleeding hearts screaming that the owner was wrong to change things up with a rank horse who wasn't finishing really should examine the ATTEMPT that the new guys is making and consider if their remarks were ill advised.

well of course they were ill advised. who here would actually choose holthus over pletcher if they had to choose???

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

very nice, very cute dogs. hard workers. hard to believe with those short legs that they are working dogs, and love to be kept busy.

They like to bark a lot too. A friend of mine is a breeder.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

well of course they were ill advised. who here would actually choose holthus over pletcher if they had to choose???

Holthus is a great trainer Zieg, he really is. Betting him at Oaklawn is like an ATM machine. Its just that it was pretty obvious that an attempt to control his rankness had to be made, and he wasn't doing it.