BC to phase out raceday meds; No Lasix for '12 Juvenile events

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Scav

So you are going to want to risk your hard earned money on a race where out of the say 14 starters, 10 of them are going to be Lasix Off and then you have to predict who is gonna handle that. No thank you.

That is why its unbettable to me now.

Who says they are going to be "Lasix off" in the BC only? If you know the BC races are Lasix off, maybe horses will be prepared without Lasix in advance of that knowledge...

Overall, I just think it was premature to say it will automatically be bad betting.

[Indian Charlie]

It's going to be an advantage to trainers that can get away with stuff that others cannot.

Same as it ever was.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Who says they are going to be "Lasix off" in the BC only? If you know the BC races are Lasix off, maybe horses will be prepared without Lasix in advance of that knowledge...

Overall, I just think it was premature to say it will automatically be bad betting.

Here is what I know. Out of the 6 race horses that we have in racing, 4 of them couldn't compete at the lowest levels of racing, say Beulah Park, if it wasn't for Lasix.

Meanwhile, because of Lasix, we compete at levels the horse is capable of because we prevent him from being in pain, while 1000% sound.

[Riot]

Lasix is the least of our problems, and enables thousands of horses to participate in American-style dirt speed racing. What a silly thing to go after.

[JJP]

Why not just make the damned purses in Euros? Oh yeah, the Euro will probably be non-existant by the 2012 running.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by JJP

Why not just make the damned purses in Euros? Oh yeah, the Euro will probably be non-existant by the 2012 running.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

Who says they are going to be "Lasix off" in the BC only? If you know the BC races are Lasix off, maybe horses will be prepared without Lasix in advance of that knowledge...

Overall, I just think it was premature to say it will automatically be bad betting.

Please enlighten us on the positives of banning Lasix on a race day. Please don't make the nonsensical claims that it masks other drugs or that it has weakened the breed.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by pointman

Please enlighten us on the positives of banning Lasix on a race day. Please don't make the nonsensical claims that it masks other drugs or that it has weakened the breed.

I have made no comments in this thread on whether banning Lasix is good or not. I'm saying that it is foolishly premature to say it will be bad betting, and equally premature to assume all horses in the 2013 BC will be running "Lasix off."

[Cannon Shell]

Depending on the state in which the BC is held, they may not be able to ban Lasix. You can't just take your horse off when you want and then go back on when you want. The BC to my knowledge has no power to supersede the rules of racing in an individual state so I don't think this is a settled issue.

By the way here is an interesting article from years ago when everything ws supposedly wonderful

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-10-...1_horse-racing

Another one
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...orsemen-l-word


http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05-...le-crown-races

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Depending on the state in which the BC is held, they may not be able to ban Lasix. You can't just take your horse off when you want and then go back on when you want. The BC to my knowledge has no power to supersede the rules of racing in an individual state so I don't think this is a settled issue.

By the way here is an interesting article from years ago when everything ws supposedly wonderful

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-10-...1_horse-racing

Another one
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...orsemen-l-word


http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05-...le-crown-races

It's just more useless mouth flapping by the BC folks. I'm surprised anyone here pays it any credence.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Depending on the state in which the BC is held, they may not be able to ban Lasix. You can't just take your horse off when you want and then go back on when you want. The BC to my knowledge has no power to supersede the rules of racing in an individual state so I don't think this is a settled issue.

By the way here is an interesting article from years ago when everything ws supposedly wonderful

http://articles.latimes.com/1990-10-...1_horse-racing

Another one
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/199...orsemen-l-word


http://articles.latimes.com/1992-05-...le-crown-races

Interesting thought. I wonder what legal standing the BC would have to force entrants to not be running with a raceday medication that is otherwise legal in a particular state.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Interesting thought. I wonder what legal standing the BC would have to force entrants to not be running with a raceday medication that is otherwise legal in a particular state.

I expect that it's legal to be more restrictive. The problem would be if they wanted to be less so. For instance, say the BC wanted to allow cobra venom, but the state forbids it, they're not gonna get that through. A state may have a 21 and older law on alcohol, but some counties are dry or limit when you can purchase it. Saying they're doing it in the public interest or whatever is probably all it takes if they really think that's what they're doing.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

I expect that it's legal to be more restrictive. The problem would be if they wanted to be less so. For instance, say the BC wanted to allow cobra venom, but the state forbids it, they're not gonna get that through. A state may have a 21 and older law on alcohol, but some counties are dry or limit when you can purchase it. Saying they're doing it in the public interest or whatever is probably all it takes if they really think that's what they're doing.

They can make whatever restrictive rules they want but in some states you HAVE to run on lasix if you have been running on it and need a vet reason to come off of it. Not to mention that there may be trouble for those who do go ahead and take off lasix as they will have to "re-qualify" for Lasix afterwards meaning 30 days and if they happen to be unfortunate to bleed after a race out of their nose again they would be subject to 90 days and with another incident be barred.