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[slotdirt]

THen petition someone to change the definition of quality start. Halladay has 16, by the way, which is only one more than Jurjjens and three fewer than Verlander (Verlander stat thrown in for perspective).

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

THen petition someone to change the definition of quality start. Halladay has 16, by the way, which is only one more than Jurjjens and three fewer than Verlander (Verlander stat thrown in for perspective).

jurrjens has 14.. that is 2 less than halladay.

just fixing your math.

[Antitrust32]

i like how you ignore how many more innings halladay has gone, and how many more batters he's faced.

you are just uninformed.

and shoot, JJ is pitching great, out of his mind.. but there is a reason Halladay is starting the all star game over him.

[slotdirt]

All-Star starter is meaningful stat now? Sheesh.

ANd the argument isn't Jurjjens vs. Halladay, by the way. Shoot, Hamels is probably having the better season than Halladay anyway.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

All-Star starter is meaningful stat now? Sheesh.

ANd the argument isn't Jurjjens vs. Halladay, by the way. Shoot, Hamels is probably having the better season than Halladay anyway.

Hamels is close. Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball, and has been for years.


only an idiot would say that a team doesnt have the best rotation and then post a link proving said team does have the best rotation (and according to that link, best overall pitching)

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Hamels is close. Halladay is the best pitcher in baseball, and has been for years.


only an idiot would say that a team doesnt have the best rotation and then post a link proving said team does have the best rotation (and according to that link, best overall pitching)

Halladay has been the best pitcher in baseball and a surefire hall of famer Is he in 2011? I'd say 99 out of 100 managers and GM's would take Verlander based on the two pitchers respective first half work. Halladay is a great pitcher; Verlander has been borderline unhittable this year.

On the "only an idiot" question, I presume that "only an idiot" would take precisely one statistical measurement and try to make an argument over it, particularly when a person is also using the "honor" of All-Star starter of all things to bolster one's argument. Further, "only an idiot" would quote the 19.2 vs. 17.7 PHI-ATL WAR statistic and not realize that team WAR also includes bullpens.

Stick to blindly defending Philadelphia sports rather than objective arguments; clearly the former is your strong point.

[slotdirt]

Moreover, considering the difference between the respective WAR of PHI vs. ATL is three times less than ATL and the next team in the rankings, even one blindly defending PHI should easily be able to see that there is at least an argument that ATL's staff has been as good as PHI's based on the massive difference between PHI, ATL, and the rest of the National League.

(Incidentally, Verlander's midseason WAR of 5.4 compromises all but .7 of the entire Detroit pitching staff's WAR for 2011, and that includes another pitcher who is also in double digits in wins - shows just how valuable "wins" are as a defining statistic for pitchers...)

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Halladay has been the best pitcher in baseball and a surefire hall of famer Is he in 2011? I'd say 99 out of 100 managers and GM's would take Verlander based on the two pitchers respective first half work. Halladay is a great pitcher; Verlander has been borderline unhittable this year.

point.

LOL

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

All-Star starter is meaningful stat now? Sheesh. .

it's not a stat, it's called an honor. an honor given by the manager (Giants manger) to the pitcher he believes is the best on his all star team.

[Indian Charlie]

Does anyone here think First Dude has a strong look at HOY?

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Does anyone here think First Dude has a strong look at HOY?

Door is open for anyone that can make a run as there is no front runner.