WI Union-busting provisions added in budget committee

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - I think you need to look up the definitions of the words you use before you try to use them in desperation where it really doesn't apply.

I am talking about two specific people: David Prosser, who is old, has a documented history of public anger, and is white; and John McCain, who is old, has a documented history of public anger, and is white.

Two old angry white guys.

yeah right

I'm going to start refering to Obama as that black guy in office. I mean he is black, and he is in office, so there's nothing wrong with that.

[Clip-Clop]

Unions are a racket. Teachers union is the worst of the lot. I grew up in NJ, if you knew what it is really like there now, "a great school system"(a system that is reliant on it's history from the 70's and 80's) is all I hear from my friends with kids as to why they are still living there. It is nonsense, I have friends and family that are teachers in NJ, good teachers who would do anything to get out of the union that rewards mediocrity the same way it does excellence. Sadly this seems to be the curriculum these days too so I guess it makes sense.

That is a recipe for success, right?

"Mo' money, mo' problems" right Newark?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Unions are a racket. Teachers union is the worst of the lot. I grew up in NJ, if you knew what it is really like there now, "a great school system"(a system that is reliant on it's history from the 70's and 80's) is all I hear from my friends with kids as to why they are still living there. It is nonsense, I have friends and family that are teachers in NJ, good teachers who would do anything to get out of the union that rewards mediocrity the same way it does excellence. Sadly this seems to be the curriculum these days too so I guess it makes sense.

That is a recipe for success, right?

"Mo' money, mo' problems" right Newark?

There are usually two sides to every story. For all the evils unions do, there is the opposite side that they have done some good too. Still. Tenure keeps just as many great teachers going as pathetic ones, and getting rid of it would have just as many great teachers getting fired for no good reason as pathetic ones getting fired for good reason.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

There are usually two sides to every story. For all the evils unions do, there is the opposite side that they have done some good too. Still. Tenure keeps just as many great teachers going as pathetic ones, and getting rid of it would have just as many great teachers getting fired for no good reason as pathetic ones getting fired for good reason.

Talent would prevent that. Why would anyone fire an excellent employee that makes their lives easier and school look better?
I get to keep my job because I do it very well and nobody needs to babysit me, my work gets done and I produce numbers. Not because I have worked here for three years.
No district is going to fire "great teachers" for no reason. The teachers themselves would be a in a much better position. The good ones anyway.

The above statement cannot be argued in any way. Replace the word teacher in this debate with any other profession and see how ridiculous it sounds.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

yeah right

I'm going to start refering to Obama as that black guy in office. I mean he is black, and he is in office, so there's nothing wrong with that.

Again, I think you need to go read the definitions of the two words you used. Because you, above, are still using them incorrectly.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Again, I think you need to go read the definitions of the two words you used. Because you, above, are still using them incorrectly.

I used them exactly the same as you did. I am only talking about one specific person. That hip-hop listening, basketball playin' black man in office.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I used them exactly the same as you did. I am only talking about one specific person. The black man in office.

Anti you are wrong you should have said "the incompetent black guy in office" then you would be correct.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I used them exactly the same as you did. I am only talking about one specific person. That hip-hop listening, basketball playin' black man in office.

You think your last sentence is racist? Again, you'd better go read the definition

Or this may be easier: Faux News ridiculously accused Jon Stewart of being racist because he mocked Herman Cain. Watch the second part of this episode starting at about minute 9.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...011-louis-c-k-

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

You think your last sentence is racist? Again, you'd better go read the definition

Or this may be easier: Faux News ridiculously accused Jon Stewart of being racist because he mocked Herman Cain. Watch the second part of this episode starting at about minute 9.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...011-louis-c-k-

maybe not necessarily racist, but I do think it's inappropriate.