Another Brilliant Plan Out of WI

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Originally Posted by wiphan

Please dispute facts with me. Who are we disenfranchising if there are more residents of WI with a photo ID than registered voters?(even eliminating 16 and 17yr olds) Must be easier to get a photo ID or drivers license than to register to vote.

Also if you are going to use the word the democrats like so much the least you could do is learn how to spell it

The facts are that you support voter tests and voter suppression.

Wiphan posted: The disenfranchised people you speak of usually don't have a job so Mon-Friday works just fine (poor and elderly). The responsible people who have an ID (which by the way is required by most employers) will find time to go to the DMV and change their address. So that is not an issue.

So poor and elderly, and those "not responsible" in your eyes are "not an issue". Yeah, who cares if they can vote! Oh, and you have to have transportation to the DMV.

Yeah, that's really nice. Not what our Constitution says, but hey, it's only the poor, elderly, those you deem irresponsible, right?

Why do you ignore the fact that students will now have to bring a receipt with proof of paid tuition to the polling place with them? That not one school ID in Wisconsin fits the parameters of the new bill signed into law today?

Face it: the Republican Party has revealed themselves as the party of the elite and power-hungry. They don't give a damn about the citizens of this country. Even the "Tea Party" knows the GOP can't accomplish anything. They just lost the NY 26th. They now are only 50-50 to even hold onto the House in 2012. They have moved so far to the right, they've embraced the people literally dragging them off the political landscape. Please, go with them, if that's what you want. Enjoy the political exile, and take Republican Voter Suppression with you.

And let's not forget those poor victims of the tornadoes - who won't get their emergency aid appropriations bill signed until Eric Cantor gets the political budget concessions he wants. And he wasn't even embarrassed to say it in public. Yeah, hell of a party, those Republicans have become. Ronald Reagan wouldn't even pass their "purity test" today as a candidate.

[Danzig]

i guess if you want to view this as a bad thing, than it's making it more difficult to vote. or, you could think that maybe they're just making it difficult for non citizens to vote.
you have to be 18 to vote, most people start driving, and thus have a drivers license, at 16.
and if you don't drive, there are state id cards. sorry, don't see the big issue here.

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i guess if you want to view this as a bad thing, than it's making it more difficult to vote. or, you could think that maybe they're just making it difficult for non citizens to vote.
you have to be 18 to vote, most people start driving, and thus have a drivers license, at 16.
and if you don't drive, there are state id cards. sorry, don't see the big issue here.

Read the current law and tell me how an out-of-state student in Wisconsin (living there for 4 years including summers on-campus, with no car) will be able to vote - including timeline for registration and ID and tuition proof requirements.

Then tell me why Wiphan isn't held to the same standards.

Then tell me why different standards, applied to different voters, are legal and Constitutional.


Wisconsin just passed the most restrictive voting eligibility law in the country. I can't wait until it's declared unconstitutional under current law.

And that is the anti-big government, anti-government takeover, anti-discrimination, pure libertarian position <g>

[Danzig]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43156562...nge-landscape/

Voter ID debate could change 2012 landscape
Wisconsin governor to sign photo ID law Wednesday, with bills being debated in Ohio, North Carolina, and other battleground states

some excerpts:

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, 11 states, including Wisconsin, request or require photo ID for voters.



But compared to the 2004 election, voter turnout went way up, not down, in 2008 in both Georgia and Indiana after those states’ voter ID laws took effect.


Supreme Court upholds photo ID law
The idea of requiring voters to show photo identification got its biggest lift when the Supreme Court upheld the Indiana photo ID law in 2008.

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Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43156562...nge-landscape/

Voter ID debate could change 2012 landscape
Wisconsin governor to sign photo ID law Wednesday, with bills being debated in Ohio, North Carolina, and other battleground states

some excerpts:

According to the National Conference of State Legislatures, 11 states, including Wisconsin, request or require photo ID for voters.



But compared to the 2004 election, voter turnout went way up, not down, in 2008 in both Georgia and Indiana after those states’ voter ID laws took effect.


Supreme Court upholds photo ID law
The idea of requiring voters to show photo identification got its biggest lift when the Supreme Court upheld the Indiana photo ID law in 2008.

Believe me, I'm sure the next elections in Florida, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio will have huge turnouts

Wisconsin is far more restrictive than Indiana, with additional requirements, date changes, etc., so we'll see regarding the constitutionality. I believe the law guys when many say they doubt it will fly in the current incarnation.

[Danzig]

see, i don't look at who passed what. i read the item, and decide for myself. now, some people see dem or rep, and decide to find and post anything 'bad' they see from whichever group it is they are against, as evidence of yet another nefarious plot.
as for voter turnout, i put an excerpt about voter turnout actually increased in the two states mentioned. imo, turnout has more to do with the candidates and voter apathy-or even the weather. if you want to vote, an id requirement won't stop you. if you don't vote anyway, you don't care.

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Originally Posted by Danzig

see, i don't look at who passed what. i read the item, and decide for myself. now, some people see dem or rep, and decide to find and post anything 'bad' they see from whichever group it is they are against, as evidence of yet another nefarious plot.

When the Republican Governors Association meeting had an agenda item that talked about voter demographics of the future (strongly favoring the Democratic party), and the need for Republican governors to get voting laws made more restrictive (with a list of suggestions on how to do that) to make it harder for traditionally democratic voters not to vote with ease, and the Republicans talk about it publicly, it's not exactly a "plot"

It's the same thing as redistricting to get more Congressmen or preserve the political makeup of a gerrymandered district - changing voting requirements and ability to vote with easy has always been a political ploy, and the Republican party has used it for some time.

The "nefarious plot" side:
Deja Vu - new Florida law hinders voting rights of blacks and poor
http://newamericamedia.org/2011/05/d...lacks-poor.php

GOP efforts to change Ohio voting laws serve ideology not people
http://www.cantonrep.com/opinion/let...ogy-not-people

Republicans aiming to take away voting rights in 36 states
http://blog.aflcio.org/2011/05/23/re...-in-36-states/

Republicans writing laws to stop people from voting
http://www.examiner.com/political-sp...le-from-voting