KY denies Dutrow license; Injunction allowing runners

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by The Bid

They have wanted Dutrow for a long time

When you have guys strangling their wives riding for 750k is it fair to take away a guys livelyhood for overages, or positives, that don't warrant the crime? Whether people think he cheats should be inconsequential. Show why, on paper, definitively, why he's being denied a licnese. Even cheaters, liars, thievs, murderers, should be granted a due process.

I disagree with this 10000%. This is for a racing license, not a court case. The committee has the right to deny anyone.

[The Bid]

Why after granting a license to a convicted felon over and over they finally decide.... Ah this year I don't think so. I'm sure he filled out the paperwork the same he always has. What makes his ninety first positive different than the 90th? What makes him breaking into a slot machine relevant when it hasn't been prior?

Anti trust.. Regardless what line of work somebody is in I think it's wrong to deny them a livelyhood w out sufficient reason. There should be very clear rules throughout racing and there aren't.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Anti trust.. Regardless what line of work somebody is in I think it's wrong to deny them a livelyhood w out sufficient reason. There should be very clear rules throughout racing and there aren't.

I think that there is certainly sufficient reason. A livelihood isn't being denied, a professional license is. If you own a bar and the state won't renew your liquor license after finding some violations isn't that denying someone a livelihood? Well that happens all the time. If you're a lawyer and you get disbarred (essentially the same thing as losing your license) isn't that taking away a livelihood? If you drive trucks for living and lose you drivers license isn't that denying someone a livelihood?

If he stopped getting positive tests and stopped getting suspended and did simple things like filling out his own application or taking it serious enough to make sure it was correct he would not be in the predicament that he is in. You can blame whoever you want, you can say they have it out for him, etc but the fact is he has no one to blame but himself.

[The Bid]

There may be sufficient reason but what's the difference in this year or last? He broke into a slot machine like a racoon in a trashcan years ago. There is no consistency and I think that's a major issue. Now he's going to
be a scapegoat for many guys who push the envelope and I think that's unfair

Training horses has to be his livelyhood, whatelse could he possibly do? If you're going to take somebodies quality of living and livelyhood away then it shouldn't be a subjective process or because a couple guys dislike his personality.

[randallscott35]

maybe he pulls a manny and rides off into the sunset.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Training horses has to be his livelyhood, whatelse could he possibly do? If you're going to take somebodies quality of living and livelyhood away then it shouldn't be a subjective process or because a couple guys dislike his personality.

What about the people who have already lost their livelihood and quality of living because of guys like Dutrow?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

What about the people who have already lost their livelihood and quality of living because of guys like Dutrow?

See Wall Street. Same ****. Nobody is in jail who should be.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

There may be sufficient reason but what's the difference in this year or last? He broke into a slot machine like a racoon in a trashcan years ago. There is no consistency and I think that's a major issue. Now he's going to
be a scapegoat for many guys who push the envelope and I think that's unfair

Training horses has to be his livelyhood, whatelse could he possibly do? If you're going to take somebodies quality of living and livelyhood away then it shouldn't be a subjective process or because a couple guys dislike his personality.

The difference is that perhaps more of his transgressions came to light and if you lie about them you get denied a license? Pretty simple. And there is no excuse for not having an accurate list of violations. If you go into virtually any licensing office or contact the RCI you can get a printout of all your violations to attach to the license application. To not have the application filled out properly especially when he knows the heat is on is indefensible.

[The Bid]

Cannon why can't the commission pull all the violations on all applicants? It's their job to accept, deny, all apps. He had the same violations in years past, why is it so significant now? Why is it okay in years past? Let me ask to this..... Do u think if he had big brown this year his app is denied?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Cannon why can't the commission pull all the violations on all applicants? It's their job to accept, deny, all apps. He had the same violations in years past, why is it so significant now? Why is it okay in years past? Let me ask to this..... Do u think if he had big brown this year his app is denied?

Do you know what he has put down in the past or put down this year? Hell he doesn't even know what he put down. It is simple, handle your business. He hasn't in the past and he didn't on this occasion.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Cannon why can't the commission pull all the violations on all applicants? It's their job to accept, deny, all apps. He had the same violations in years past, why is it so significant now? Why is it okay in years past? Let me ask to this..... Do u think if he had big brown this year his app is denied?

Haha..there isn't a chance in hell they would go through with this if it was 2008...and Big Brown was gonna be the big fav for the Derby.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The difference is that perhaps more of his transgressions came to light and if you lie about them you get denied a license? Pretty simple. And there is no excuse for not having an accurate list of violations. If you go into virtually any licensing office or contact the RCI you can get a printout of all your violations to attach to the license application. To not have the application filled out properly especially when he knows the heat is on is indefensible.

George O'Leary laughed.