The Wood

[fpsoxfan]

I really love reading stupid post like many of the above. I'm thinking that many are tongue in cheek. With Uncle Moe losing we saw derby odds change from 3/2 to 4/1.. Maybe.

[slotdirt]

It's fine to hate Uncle Mo, but how many folks are going to bet Toby's Corner in the Derby? As much as I think Motion is a good dude, if the choice is between Uncle Mo and Toby's Corner on May 7th, I'm taking Uncly 100 times out of 100.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

It's fine to hate Uncle Mo, but how many folks are going to bet Toby's Corner in the Derby? As much as I think Motion is a good dude, if the choice is between Uncle Mo and Toby's Corner on May 7th, I'm taking Uncly 100 times out of 100.

Really?

If you're betting on Uncle Mo in this year's Derby you are doing it based on something that has not even happened in 2011. You'd be doing it based on 2YO form and, I needn't even really say it, is a horrible approach in a race like the Derby.

Toby's Corner is not much horse but he at least is going to get a good pace setup in the Derby (more likely than not) and responded kindly to an equipment change for a good trainer.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Really?

If you're betting on Uncle Mo in this year's Derby you are doing it based on something that has not even happened in 2011. You'd be doing it based on 2YO form and, I needn't even really say it, is a horrible approach in a race like the Derby.

Toby's Corner is not much horse but he at least is going to get a good pace setup in the Derby (more likely than not) and responded kindly to an equipment change for a good trainer.

Given that the form of 99.83 percent of 3YO's in 2011 has been mediocre to poor, going off the juvenile champion's form is probably just as worthwhile in a dart board race like the Kentucky Derby as any other handicapping method, IMO. Particularly off ONE poor start.

Six times in the last ten years a horse has won the Derby off a loss in his last prep.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

It's fine to hate Uncle Mo, but how many folks are going to bet Toby's Corner in the Derby? As much as I think Motion is a good dude, if the choice is between Uncle Mo and Toby's Corner on May 7th, I'm taking Uncly 100 times out of 100.

I have no idea why there is all the hate for uncle Mo. I guess it's easy to come out and say stuff after the race is done and the horse laid an egg. But if you really didn't like him (for whatever reason), maybe some people should have took the time and figured out a way to cash out on what could have been a dream opportunity to make some cash. After all, you don't find to many vulnerable 1/9 shots around.
But I guess they would rather wait and hope the horse bombed and then just make tons of stupid coments instead.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I have no idea why there is all the hate for uncle Mo. I guess it's easy to come out and say stuff after the race is done and the horse laid an egg. But if you really didn't like him (for whatever reason), maybe some people should have took the time and figured out a way to cash out on what could have been a dream opportunity to make some cash. After all, you don't find to many vulnerable 1/9 shots around.
But I guess they would rather wait and hope the horse bombed and then just make tons of stupid coments instead.

I agree about the odd abundance of hate for this horse. Fine if people have other opinions, though I didn't see any " I am betting against Uncle Mo with such and such horse and here's why " posts, but more a lot of post race hate/redboards. Uncle Mo was a monsterous talent last year. He wasn't lucky, or dressed up, but just a flat out brilliant racehorse. Maybe he isn't anymore....but I don't see how that's a good thing. We need as many truly good horses as we can get.

Anyone that didn't see that Uncle Mo was the real deal last year has no idea how to evaluate a racehorse. The game is worse, not better, if he is no longer that kind of talent.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree about the odd abundance of hate for this horse. Fine if people have other opinions, though I didn't see any " I am betting against Uncle Mo with such and such horse and here's why " posts, but more a lot of post race hate/redboards. Uncle Mo was a monsterous talent last year. He wasn't lucky, or dressed up, but just a flat out brilliant racehorse. Maybe he isn't anymore....but I don't see how that's a good thing. We need as many truly good horses as we can get.

Anyone that didn't see that Uncle Mo was the real deal last year has no idea how to evaluate a racehorse. The game is worse, not better, if he is no longer that kind of talent.

While I agree, I think it's wayyy premature to say he's dropped off.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

While I agree, I think it's wayyy premature to say he's dropped off.

I hope he bounces back. He's a terrific horse. But I'm skeptical.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree about the odd abundance of hate for this horse. Fine if people have other opinions, though I didn't see any " I am betting against Uncle Mo with such and such horse and here's why " posts, but more a lot of post race hate/redboards. Uncle Mo was a monsterous talent last year. He wasn't lucky, or dressed up, but just a flat out brilliant racehorse. Maybe he isn't anymore....but I don't see how that's a good thing. We need as many truly good horses as we can get.

Anyone that didn't see that Uncle Mo was the real deal last year has no idea how to evaluate a racehorse. The game is worse, not better, if he is no longer that kind of talent.

You are confusing dislike for the connections with dislike for the horse.

[Danzig]

not quite sure why anyone would 'dislike the connections'. its repole, not ieah for crying out loud.
at any rate, i think the only complaints i've seen about this horse are similar to what i've said, lack of racing, as well as too much emphasis on what was done last year-we know how much bearing that can have the next year....however, there's bound to be a reason for that lack of starts....as for the future, no one knows what that holds. i do know tho that this crop is still shaking itself out, with some good runners sadly already sidelined. mo has a shot at redemption on a track where he's already won. i also find it interesting that he's now being declared as a miler, when he's won past that distance already. maybe he's not a 10f-er. but right now, who is?? this is why the run them, to see. onward!

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree about the odd abundance of hate for this horse. Fine if people have other opinions, though I didn't see any " I am betting against Uncle Mo with such and such horse and here's why " posts, but more a lot of post race hate/redboards. Uncle Mo was a monsterous talent last year. He wasn't lucky, or dressed up, but just a flat out brilliant racehorse. Maybe he isn't anymore....but I don't see how that's a good thing. We need as many truly good horses as we can get.

Anyone that didn't see that Uncle Mo was the real deal last year has no idea how to evaluate a racehorse. The game is worse, not better, if he is no longer that kind of talent.

Excellent view expressed.

[johnny pinwheel]

its not hate ...i was skeptical all along......i always am.....its called gambling.....the bandwagon never makes money and rarely wins bets......people never,ever learn. when there are sure things....let me know.....being a fan is fine but its no way to conduct bets..... being a great two year old and converting that to a great 3 yo hardly ever happens anymore....there is a reason so many horses win the juve and then flop. you can't win like a champ and hide in the weeds forever , eventually you will be exposed, especially when the distances get longer....if that horse wins at 10 furlongs i'll eat my shorts.....in the meantime i'll read here about the next "can't lose" horse....lol

[philcski]

What's to hate about Repole? He's a self made millionaire off a great product, from Queens, and loves to be a racehorse owner- from the nickel claimer right on up to Uncle Mo. Remember, Uncle Mo was his first graded stakes winner, it's not like he's some monster owner. I mean seriously, the horses he ran against today were terrible. I personally wanted to see him win by a pole and have a real horse as the Derby favorite. With him potentially not being a 10F horse we could see another Mine That Bird type horse win, how exactly is that a good thing?

For full disclosure, I did not bet the race because I couldn't find a viable alternative. My buddy was looking for suggestions and I told him to bet against the showjumpers and it damn near paid off.

Honestly, does everybody just hate New Yorkers? I get that sense around KY sometimes.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by philcski

What's to hate about Repole? He's a self made millionaire off a great product, from Queens, and loves to be a racehorse owner- from the nickel claimer right on up to Uncle Mo. Remember, Uncle Mo was his first graded stakes winner, it's not like he's some monster owner. I mean seriously, the horses he ran against today were terrible. I personally wanted to see him win by a pole and have a real horse as the Derby favorite. With him potentially not being a 10F horse we could see another Mine That Bird type horse win, how exactly is that a good thing?

For full disclosure, I did not bet the race because I couldn't find a viable alternative. My buddy was looking for suggestions and I told him to bet against the showjumpers and it damn near paid off.

Honestly, does everybody just hate New Yorkers? I get that sense around KY sometimes.

Not to mention -- he is one of the guys out there really supporting retirement and getting people involved any way they can.

And you have to be a seriously cool person to make Pletcher crack that robotic armour...

I had woo-hooed in another thread which was for Toby's Corner, but I wish Mo put on the show he did in the BC Juvenile. I guess the bright side is we won't be reading articles about how he is going to bounce to the moon in the Derby.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by philcski

What's to hate about Repole? He's a self made millionaire off a great product, from Queens, and loves to be a racehorse owner- from the nickel claimer right on up to Uncle Mo. Remember, Uncle Mo was his first graded stakes winner, it's not like he's some monster owner. I mean seriously, the horses he ran against today were terrible. I personally wanted to see him win by a pole and have a real horse as the Derby favorite. With him potentially not being a 10F horse we could see another Mine That Bird type horse win, how exactly is that a good thing?

For full disclosure, I did not bet the race because I couldn't find a viable alternative. My buddy was looking for suggestions and I told him to bet against the showjumpers and it damn near paid off.

Honestly, does everybody just hate New Yorkers? I get that sense around KY sometimes.

Well said. I don't get why people don't like the guy.

[Dahoss]

People really don't get why the connections aren't looked at positively? Really? I like the horse just fine, but his connections aren't easy to root for.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

People really don't get why the connections aren't looked at positively? Really? I like the horse just fine, but his connections aren't easy to root for.

No one said Repole is perfect, but if the biggest negative you can say about him is that he let Pletcher be a ***** with his horse, well, there are worse things.

[slotdirt]

So people don't like Repole because of Pletcher? That's a stretch. Repole is one of the better things to come along in the sport in quite awhile. People who don't like him are hating for hate's sake as far as I'm concerned.

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I really love reading stupid post like many of the above. I'm thinking that many are tongue in cheek. With Uncle Moe losing we saw derby odds change from 3/2 to 4/1.. Maybe.

I would have rather seen him run "this race" the 1st Saturday in May though..... watch, he'll probably win the Derby by a half dozen lengths!

[MisterB]

Secretariat also finished third in the 1973 Wood before sweeping the Triple Crown. I wonder if people loved to see that too!!! It's not like Todd had a bad day, considering he won the Ill Derby. I just feel bad for Repole, who had 100 or so family at the track for the predicted win.

Now on to Andy, who preaches bad bets on 1-9 horses. He was a bad bet, and you singled him in the P4, that was a bad bet. You preach, I listen. Live and learn.