Ramon Suspended

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by pointman

Once again you manage to top yourself. I suppose he hasn't gone head to head with the toughest colonies in the U.S. when he rides at Belmont and Saratoga. I suppose that his 3rd in the Saratoga standings against the toughest riding colony in the country last year and winning the Saratoga title in 2009 doesn't demonstrate that he can handle himself in any riding colony. I assure you he doesn't get the mounts to place that way in Saratoga because he is a bad rider.

I don't have the time right now to look up what signifacant races he has won this year, but I assure you he will win plenty of Grade I's before the year is out. If you were paying any attention he has run in plenty of big stakes and held his own at Gulfstream this winter. He should be commended for not uprooting his family and riding through the sh.tty winter we have had here in New York so he can be with his family.

You really need to get over your California is the best racing in the country B.S. There is great racing all over the country, I enjoy racing in New York, California, Kentucy, Florida, Arkansas, Louisiana and plenty of other places throughout the year. You may want to watch Dominguez ride a little bit, you just might see that he is a terrific rider. Oh, and Aqueduct is not only a great track IMO to take in some racing, the betting over the winter is terrific, it has its chalky days as any track does, but you can profit damn well as many live longshots can be had.

There is no doubt that he is talented but I like to see him step up in competition. Yes, he did win 3 stakes at tampa bay this year on tampa bay derby preview day but he was 0 for 6 as odds on favorites on each race ON tampa bay derby day. He has had the "worst luck" when the money is on the line but when it comes to winning 5 claimers at AQU a day, he goes to being the best jock in the country...how? I never said california is the best racing but it sure beats the racing colony at AQU right now HANDS DOWN! The jockey title he won at saratoga in 2009 was not by accumulating stakes wins...5 jockeys raked up more stakes wins than he did that meet. I am still not convinced of his greatness.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

There is no doubt that he is talented but I like to see him step up in competition. Yes, he did win 3 stakes at tampa bay this year on tampa bay derby preview day but he was 0 for 6 as odds on favorites on each race ON tampa bay derby day. He has had the "worst luck" when the money is on the line but when it comes to winning 5 claimers at AQU a day, he goes to being the best jock in the country...how? I never said california is the best racing but it sure beats the racing colony at AQU right now HANDS DOWN! The jockey title he won at saratoga in 2009 was not by accumulating stakes wins...5 jockeys raked up more stakes wins than he did that meet. I am still not convinced of his greatness.

You can't let your stupidity rest, you insist on burying it.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by pointman

You can't let your stupidity rest, you insist on burying it.

Ah yes. the "I cant come up with a rebuttal to your argument so I call you stupid" response. Lets just end this flame war. agreed?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

There is no doubt that he is talented but I like to see him step up in competition. Yes, he did win 3 stakes at tampa bay this year on tampa bay derby preview day but he was 0 for 6 as odds on favorites on each race ON tampa bay derby day. He has had the "worst luck" when the money is on the line but when it comes to winning 5 claimers at AQU a day, he goes to being the best jock in the country...how? I never said california is the best racing but it sure beats the racing colony at AQU right now HANDS DOWN! The jockey title he won at saratoga in 2009 was not by accumulating stakes wins...5 jockeys raked up more stakes wins than he did that meet. I am still not convinced of his greatness.

Just for arguements sake, which favorite that he rode on Tampa Derby Day lost as a result of his ride? I'm also interested in a list of 5 jocks who you feel ride better than Dominguez does on a daily basis.

[eajinabi]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Just for arguements sake, which favorite that he rode on Tampa Derby Day lost as a result of his ride? I'm also interested in a list of 5 jocks who you feel ride better than Dominguez does on a daily basis.

I am not talking about on a daily basis. I am talking about he showing up on days when the money is on the line and in those races he is competing against Gomez, Velasquez, Leparoux, Bejarano, Rosario, Castellano, Allan Garcia, P Val, Mike Smith, Desourmaux, Prado, Espinoza, Albarado etc . Each of those riders, have a resume much better than Ramon and most have achieved greater success than him in thier career, agreed?. If you want to compare him to other good jocks who win multiple times on claimers on a daily basis, please add russell baze and clinton potts to the conversation, the only difference is Ramon has more oppurtunities to race in big events.

In regards to his Tampa Bay derby flop of 0 for 6 as odds on favorites, they were all bad horses, on thier bad days. Thats the explanation you were looking for right?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I am not talking about on a daily basis. I am talking about he showing up on days when the money is on the line and in those races he is competing against Gomez, Velasquez, Leparoux, Bejarano, Rosario, Castellano, Allan Garcia, P Val, Mike Smith, Desourmaux, Prado, Espinoza, Albarado etc . Each of those riders, have a resume much better than Ramon and most have achieved greater success than him in thier career, agreed?. If you want to compare him to other good jocks who win multiple times on claimers on a daily basis, please add russell baze and clinton potts to the conversation, the only difference is Ramon has more oppurtunities to race in big events.

In regards to his Tampa Bay derby flop of 0 for 6 as odds on favorites, they were all bad horses, on thier bad days. Thats the explanation you were looking for right?

No we don't agree on either part. Half of the names you listed have ridden longer than he has by 10 years or more. When Dominguez is Prado or Mike Smith's age, what do you think his resume is going to look like?

I just wish people like you bet more. Ask a simple question, get a stupid answer. I should know better.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I just wish people like you bet more. Ask a simple question, get a stupid answer. I should know better.

Hence why I stopped trying to explain it to him, it just doesn't seem to sink in.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by eajinabi

I am not talking about on a daily basis. I am talking about he showing up on days when the money is on the line and in those races he is competing against Gomez, Velasquez, Leparoux, Bejarano, Rosario, Castellano, Allan Garcia, P Val, Mike Smith, Desourmaux, Prado, Espinoza, Albarado etc . Each of those riders, have a resume much better than Ramon and most have achieved greater success than him in thier career, agreed?. If you want to compare him to other good jocks who win multiple times on claimers on a daily basis, please add russell baze and clinton potts to the conversation, the only difference is Ramon has more oppurtunities to race in big events.

In regards to his Tampa Bay derby flop of 0 for 6 as odds on favorites, they were all bad horses, on thier bad days. Thats the explanation you were looking for right?

Just becuase a jockey has won a big race (i.e. Kentucky Derby), doesn't automatically make them a good jockey. Example Stewart Elliot (or maybe he's part of the etc on your list). Dominguez is better than several guys on that list, reguardless of the number of big races he has under his belt. It's unfortunate that he hasn't been blessed by that special horse like some of the guys that you put on that list. Ramon's best days are still ahead of him.

Please tell me that you meant to put John Velazquez on the list and not Cornelio Velasquez? Because if it is right then I'm waving the and tapping out right now.