We need a "No Sail Zone" near Somalia

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by jms62

How about what probably will happpen, not what we would like to happen. A much higher crime rate.

Are you saying that people on welfare are more prone to engage in criminal activities? That's sure what it sounded like. I've had my income cut off more than once and I didn't turn to a life of crime.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Are you saying that people on welfare are more prone to engage in criminal activities? That's sure what it sounded like. I've had my income cut off more than once and I didn't turn to a life of crime.

I'm saying that a good number of people on welfare are at the end of their rope and probably are paycheck to paycheck with no backup. You probably had some backup. Put yourself in a position where you have no money, no backup a family to feed. Pretty desperate no? Now multiply that by the number of people having their welfare taken away according to your master plan. Are you saying NONE of them will resort to criminal activity? If you are you are very very naive. If I were put in that situation I can't say with all honesty that I wouldn't resort to criminal activity.

[Honu]

Cut off all aid. Yeah I know the poor starving people and all that bull shitz, screw em until their corrupt, inept government does something about these azzholes. Enough is enough we should just send them some napalm care packages....... they contribute nothing to the rest of the world.

[clyde]

Honula's are like wasps...they are born nasty.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Honu

Cut off all aid. Yeah I know the poor starving people and all that bull shitz, screw em until their corrupt, inept government does something about these azzholes. Enough is enough we should just send them some napalm care packages....... they contribute nothing to the rest of the world.

I dont think there is a formal govt in place in Somolia. I also don't think we send them very much aid money.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think there is a formal govt in place in Somolia. I also don't think we send them very much aid money.

They live in squalor. Talk about poor.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

They live in squalor. Talk about poor.

If only they had high speed rail, and unlimited internet access, and an electric receptacle to plug it into, and a stable Govt. to tell them what to do.,

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

If only they had high speed rail, and unlimited internet access, and an electric receptacle to plug it into, and a stable Govt. to tell them what to do.,

Or, or ... food! And no people killing them!

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont think there is a formal govt in place in Somolia. I also don't think we send them very much aid money.

Only over a 100 million most years and close to 140 million in the last fiscal year.

[Danzig]

i don't know/care whether the navy should patrol that area-but i'm not quite sure where the cost analysis is coming from. our sailors and ships are at sea more often than not, i doubt the cost would increase if they chose to patrol that area. i've never understood why the price is an argument, it's not as tho the navy isn't getting paid or using funds if there is no official action; there's always action.

as for the aid to somalia, it's probably in the form of food and medicine, and the price mentioned is a drop in the our vast budgetary bucket. people bemoan foreign aid, but our military expenditure far surpasses that. if we could actually raise foreign aid a few percentage points and buy some peace, and lower our military budget by the same percentage-we'd make money. i don't think people realize just how much of our budget goes to defense spending.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the price mentioned is a drop in the our vast budgetary bucket.

"Save enough pennies, and the dollars will take care of themselves." - Benjamin Franklin

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't know/care whether the navy should patrol that area-but i'm not quite sure where the cost analysis is coming from. our sailors and ships are at sea more often than not, i doubt the cost would increase if they chose to patrol that area. i've never understood why the price is an argument, it's not as tho the navy isn't getting paid or using funds if there is no official action; there's always action.

as for the aid to somalia, it's probably in the form of food and medicine, and the price mentioned is a drop in the our vast budgetary bucket. people bemoan foreign aid, but our military expenditure far surpasses that. if we could actually raise foreign aid a few percentage points and buy some peace, and lower our military budget by the same percentage-we'd make money. i don't think people realize just how much of our budget goes to defense spending.

how much of that foreign aid just ends up staying with the despots? Defense of this country is one of the things congress and the president are supposed to do.

I agree with the bolded part of your argument

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Honu

Only over a 100 million most years and close to 140 million in the last fiscal year.

I believe that is mostly the dollar value of food sent there. And really in terms of aid that is a drop in the bucket.

[SOREHOOF]

Originally Posted by jms62

I'm saying that a good number of people on welfare are at the end of their rope and probably are paycheck to paycheck with no backup. You probably had some backup. Put yourself in a position where you have no money, no backup a family to feed. Pretty desperate no? Now multiply that by the number of people having their welfare taken away according to your master plan. Are you saying NONE of them will resort to criminal activity? If you are you are very very naive. If I were put in that situation I can't say with all honesty that I wouldn't resort to criminal activity.

My master plan will boot able bodied scammers off the trough, not people in true need of assistance. They are already robbing people by scamming welfare in the first place. Middle class, and wealthy people account for as much, or more crime than the so-called poor.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

My master plan will boot able bodied scammers off the trough, not people in true need of assistance. They are already robbing people by scamming welfare in the first place. Middle class, and wealthy people account for as much, or more crime than the so-called poor.

My Master Plan is to hit a 20.00 Super Bet on the Derby.... Just like your plan the devil is in the details and the chances of executing are virtually nil. How would you implement your master plan without spending more of our tax dollars than you are going to save?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

Are you saying that people on welfare are more prone to engage in criminal activities? That's sure what it sounded like. I've had my income cut off more than once and I didn't turn to a life of crime.

Here is a study of Crime and shows the increase in crime later in the month after welfare checks are delivered. What do you think will happen if there were no checks at all? I'm sure you think I am a bleeding heart liberal I couldn't be further from it. But I do know that every action has a reaction and there is something called the law of law of unintended consequences.
There are no binary solutions. to issues of this nature.

http://www.people.hbs.edu/ffoley/Crime.pdf