12/26 (SA): Malibu, La Brea (G1's); Beaufort (G2); CA Champion (R)

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Riot

I know today the track was advertised as having a 3-inch cushion, and the track sure seems to be carrying speed from what I've watched. Sorry for daring to have an opinion. Not. There are multiple horses today that have outrun their figures. Maybe it is a timer problem. Or maybe the track is pretty darn firm and fast.

You have no opinion. You have an agenda. You don't know a thing about the track. You are completely wrong about it as speed-favoring and a concrete highway. Period.

[Alan07]

http://www.drf.com/blogs/santa-anita-faster-bid

[GPK]

*popcorn eating emoticon*

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by GPK

*popcorn eating emoticon*

Can you pass that over please?

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by GPK

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[Riot]

Originally Posted by Kasept

You have no opinion. You have an agenda. You don't know a thing about the track. You are completely wrong about it as speed-favoring and a concrete highway. Period.

Excuse me? Bull. You're the one being rude. I have no agenda here, but you sure have one apparently.

Yes, I like synthetics, but I'm excited SA went back to dirt. I'll be happy to take back the "concrete" remark as an overstatement, but yeah, I absolutely do think the track was playing fast and to speed today, especially after the 4th, and if you think my opinion is crap, feel free to bet against it. We'll have to see if they slow it down in the next few days after it's now dried out. You know, by maybe harrowing it a little deeper.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

Excuse me? Bull. You're the one being rude. I have no agenda here, but you sure have one apparently.

Yes, I like synthetics, but I'm excited SA went back to dirt. I'll be happy to take back the "concrete" remark as an overstatement, but yeah, I absolutely do think the track was playing fast and to speed today, especially after the 4th, and if you think my opinion is crap, feel free to bet against it. We'll have to see if they slow it down in the next few days after it's now dried out. You know, by maybe harrowing it a little deeper.

In what races specifically do you think speed was carried by the track?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

In what races specifically do you think speed was carried by the track?

I'll have to go back and watch the replays, but I thought The Factor (wow, exciting and speedy) was unexpectedly untireable" in the final 16th, I thought Arresting Officer, Smiling Tiger both lasted longer than expected, and Twirling Candy changed leads in the final strides to the wire yet didn't lose position (and broke the Bid's record?). And the final race (only watched it superficially) - didn't they go around from the backstretch home?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'll have to go back and watch the replays, but I thought The Factor (wow, exciting and speedy) was unexpectedly untireable" in the final 16th, I thought Arresting Officer, Smiling Tiger both lasted longer than expected, and Twirling Candy changed leads in the final strides to the wire yet didn't lose position (and broke the Bid's record?). And the final race (only watched it superficially) - didn't they go around from the backstretch home?

Longer than you expected? That doesn't make a track speed favoring. When I think of a track as speed favoring, I think of it being very difficult for horses to make up ground on the horses in front. I didn't see that at all today.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Longer than you expected? That doesn't make a track speed favoring. When I think of a track as speed favoring, I think of it being very difficult for horses to make up ground on the horses in front. I didn't see that at all today.

Then, you, too, are free to bet against my terribly uneducated opinion. Or semantics. My opinion is the firmer the track, the faster the track, the less tiring the track, the more effortlessly the fastest horses hold their speed (while tiring) while closers have a more difficult time gaining round on them (all exhausted horses of dissimilar running style are not equal in the final two furlongs on a very firm track)

And if you find out what my "agenda" is, let me know

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then, you, too, are free to bet against my terribly uneducated opinion. Or semantics. My opinion is the firmer the track, the faster the track, the less tiring the track, the more effortlessly the fastest horses hold their speed (while tiring) while closers have a more difficult time gaining round on them (all exhausted horses of dissimilar running style are not equal in the final two furlongs on a very firm track)

And if you find out what my "agenda" is, let me know

It's not semantics. The results of today do not represent a speed favoring track. A fast track does not necessarily mean a speed favoring track. You seem to be confusing the two.

I think you should go back and watch the races, especially the ones where you think speed was carried.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Riot

Excuse me? Bull. You're the one being rude. I have no agenda here, but you sure have one apparently.

Yes, I like synthetics, but I'm excited SA went back to dirt. I'll be happy to take back the "concrete" remark as an overstatement, but yeah, I absolutely do think the track was playing fast and to speed today, especially after the 4th, and if you think my opinion is crap, feel free to bet against it.

I'm not being rude. I'm being succinct. Here's the CHARTS. The surface is fast. Every trainer there has said as much for three weeks. That doesn't make it concrete. And the results make it obvious that while fast, it didn't favor speed.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I'm not being rude. I'm being succinct. Here's the CHARTS. The surface is fast. Every trainer there has said as much for three weeks. That doesn't make it concrete. And the results make it obvious that while fast, it didn't favor speed.

actually I think whacky jerry brown gets a thumbs up today..After years of telling us that the surfaces in the 70's were shallow today he might get some redemption..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I'm not being rude. I'm being succinct. Here's the CHARTS. The surface is fast. Every trainer there has said as much for three weeks. That doesn't make it concrete. And the results make it obvious that while fast, it didn't favor speed.

Then you ought to be darn happy I bet on horses, so you can take my money.

[RockHardTen1985]

What a giant effort out of Twirling Candy. Im not sure Sidney and Twirling wont stretch out either. Its different going 9f or 10f on dirt then it was on the old ****. Those 2 are STRONG.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

What a giant effort out of Twirling Candy. Im not sure Sidney and Twirling wont stretch out either. Its different going 9f or 10f on dirt then it was on the old ****. Those 2 are STRONG.

Gotta love Twirling. Can't believe $9 to win, plus $25 on the exacta. Never thought I would get that. Nice way to get back damn xmas money. Hope the horse keeps pushing forward 2011.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Riot

Excuse me? Bull. You're the one being rude. I have no agenda here, but you sure have one apparently.

Yes, I like synthetics, but I'm excited SA went back to dirt. I'll be happy to take back the "concrete" remark as an overstatement, but yeah, I absolutely do think the track was playing fast and to speed today, especially after the 4th, and if you think my opinion is crap, feel free to bet against it. We'll have to see if they slow it down in the next few days after it's now dried out. You know, by maybe harrowing it a little deeper.

Do you think fast and speed favoring are one in the same?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Do you think fast and speed favoring are one in the same?

No.