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The one pitcher I've heard Halladay compared to by sportswriters/analysts is Greg Maddux. I've heard that many of times. This guy Leo Mazzone, well he way Greg Maddux's pitching coach & probably knows a little bit about both Maddux and Halladay. " Now, Mazzone looks back at his rotation, then looks at this Phillies rotation and almost feels as if he's staring into a mirror. That's how similar they look -- from a standpoint of stuff and talent -- to a man who ought to know. "On an individual basis," Mazzone said, "Halladay is as good as Maddux. He's even got that signature Maddux pitch -- that ball he can start out of the zone on a left-handed hitter and bring it back into the zone for a called strike three. " I dont think Lee can be compared to Maddux... but Halladay IS the Maddux of the 90's.
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You tell her to stick her twat in her zipper..HC!! |
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![]() Maddux has three seasons of Adjusted ERA+ that are better than Halladay's top of 185 back in 2005, the last of which happened when Maddux was...32 years old.
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![]() Maddux may be the most underrated player of all time based on what he did in the era he pitched in. I can't believe how quickly people forget how good he was.
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![]() I went to look up his stats, and...well...355 wins? When did that happen? I know that stat has been bemoaned in this thread, but when a guy is the leader in that category for any player whose career started since World War II, well, that's pretty special.
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![]() I think he was better than Clemens for obvious supplemental reasons, as Maddux had the typical career progression with his peak when it should be from age 26-32. He declined steadily from that point but was still very, very good into his 40s, but his decline fit what a normal career should look like of a great player. At age 37 or 40 he didn't "magically" reproduce what he was able to do 10 years earlier like others we know of.
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![]() Agreed. 8th all time in WAR (trailing only Young, Clemens, Big Train, Lefty Grove, Seaver, and two guys who played in the 19th Century). 355 wins - trailing only Young, Johnson, Spahn, Matthewson and three guys who played in the 19th Century.
Though if one believes in WAR metrics (acknowledging that WAR for pitchers is still a bit unrefined), Niekro and Gaylord Perry, and Bert Blyleven are pretty darn underrated as well.
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![]() I wonder what Halladay's stats would be if he had pitched in the NL East from 26-31 instead of in the AL East against the Red Sox and Yankees all year while playing for a team that sucks and never having important games down the stretch?
I know he's played one year in the NL East.. and those stats match up with Maddux NL East Stats. 21-10 (losing a few games where he only gave up 1-2 runs) 2.44 ERA... I know Maddux had two crazy ass seasons where he had a sub 2 era... but 2.44 matches up well with Greg Maddux. Cy Young Winner 9 complete games 4 complete game shut outs 250 innings pitched ERA + of 165 WHIP of 1.041 an absolute incredible 7.30 strike outs/walk ratio 219 strike outs not to mention a Perfect Game along the 2nd No Hitter in Baseball Playoff History. Seriously, how do you think they Halladay / Maddux would match up if Halladay had the benifit of playing in the NL East from 26-31. Its no question that pitching in the NL East compared to AL east is night and day. Just watch them both pitch. Both guys have/had nasty pitches. a handful of different pitches to throw out... all for strikes. more movement than a damn rollercoaster. Very comparable pitchers. Comparable human beings also. Both class acts who took much pride in work ethic.
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