Sanchez....

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

It's not the be-all and end-all, but it certainly means something, does it not? There is a middle ground to an argument, no?

And Eli Manning stinks. Nobody will ever convince me otherwise.

I think it means very little. That's my opinion and Matt Cassel has had a nice year. But his team is terribly overrated, has the advantage of playing in arguably the worst division in the AFC and has had the advantage of playing the teams from the NFC West this season, who is without a doubt the worst divsion in the NFL. Take away the 3 wins against the NFC West (a division where the first place team is currently 6-7) and they are 5-5 with blowout losses to two division rivals.

[JerseyJ]

Matt Cassel is squarely not the 5th best Quarterback in the NFL overall or even this year for that matter. Hell, I wouldn't even rate him in the top 15 in all honesty. Pretty much anyone of the Quarterbacks who I would rate in the Top 15 can do what Cassel did this year. This is how I would rate your Starters/QB groups from 1-32 based on some of this year as well as where the QBs are with regards to their careers, aka Carson Palmer is done, etc.

1. Brady, NE
2. Vick, PHI
3. Rivers, SD
4. Rodgers, GB
5. Brees, NO
6. Roethlisberger, PIT
7. Ryan, ATL
8. P. Manning, IND
9. Romo, DAL
10. Schaub, HOU
11. Flacco, BAL
12. E. Manning, NYG
13. Bradford, STL
14. Freeman, TB
15. Fitzpatrick, BUF
16. Cassel, KC
17. Cutler, CHI
18. Garrard, JAC
19. Orton, DEN
20. Stafford, DET
21. Sanchez, NYJ
22. McNabb, WAS
23. Hasselbeck, SEA
24. Campbell, OAK
25. Palmer, CIN
26. MIN QBs/Favre/Jackson
27. TEN QBs/Collins/Young
28. Henne, MIA
29. CLE QBs/McCoy/Delhomme
30. SF QBs/T. Smith/A. Smith
31. ARI QBs/Anderson/Skelton
32. CAR QBs/Clausen/Moore

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Matt Cassel is squarely not the 5th best Quarterback in the NFL overall or even this year for that matter. Hell, I wouldn't even rate him in the top 15 in all honesty. Pretty much anyone of the Quarterbacks who I would rate in the Top 15 can do what Cassel did this year. This is how I would rate your Starters/QB groups from 1-32 based on some of this year as well as where the QBs are with regards to their careers, aka Carson Palmer is done, etc.

1. Brady, NE
2. Vick, PHI
3. Rivers, SD
4. Rodgers, GB
5. Brees, NO
6. Roethlisberger, PIT
7. Ryan, ATL
8. P. Manning, IND
9. Romo, DAL
10. Schaub, HOU
11. Flacco, BAL
12. E. Manning, NYG
13. Bradford, STL
14. Freeman, TB
15. Fitzpatrick, BUF
16. Cassel, KC
17. Cutler, CHI
18. Garrard, JAC
19. Orton, DEN
20. Stafford, DET
21. Sanchez, NYJ
22. McNabb, WAS
23. Hasselbeck, SEA
24. Campbell, OAK
25. Palmer, CIN
26. MIN QBs/Favre/Jackson
27. TEN QBs/Collins/Young
28. Henne, MIA
29. CLE QBs/McCoy/Delhomme
30. SF QBs/T. Smith/A. Smith
31. ARI QBs/Anderson/Skelton
32. CAR QBs/Clausen/Moore

This is the most pathetic list/thing I have ever witnessed. I was talking this year, and you go and put Tony Romo in your top 10? WTF?

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

This is the most pathetic list/thing I have ever witnessed. I was talking this year, and you go and put Tony Romo in your top 10? WTF?

You have the worst opinion here and it's apparently the worst reading comprehension as well. I rated how I view the starting quarterbacks/quarterback groups without proven starters AT THIS POINT IN THEIR CAREERS...not based off this year. But if you can read you might have noticed that Rocktard...Keep believing that Matt Cassel is the 4th best QB in football this year...Ryan Fitzpatrick could do what Cassel is doing this year. Fitzpatrick actually has only 2 less TD passes playing in less games and on a 3-10 team. Keep dreaming.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think it means very little. That's my opinion and Matt Cassel has had a nice year. But his team is terribly overrated, has the advantage of playing in arguably the worst division in the AFC and has had the advantage of playing the teams from the NFC West this season, who is without a doubt the worst divsion in the NFL. Take away the 3 wins against the NFC West (a division where the first place team is currently 6-7) and they are 5-5 with blowout losses to two division rivals.

He is gonna have to roll his ***** on the field these next three weeks with this Aaron Rodgers fiasco crap, speaking in terms of fantasy.

I am like the Sinister Minister of Fantasy, I dominate for like 8 weeks (8 furlongs) and then **** the bed

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Scav

He is gonna have to roll his ***** on the field these next three weeks with this Aaron Rodgers fiasco crap, speaking in terms of fantasy.

I am like the Sinister Minister of Fantasy, I dominate for like 8 weeks (8 furlongs) and then **** the bed

Me too... I make the playoffs and Kyle Orton thows up a -4 and Raiders D
a -1

[Scav]

Originally Posted by jms62

Me too... I make the playoffs and Kyle Orton thows up a -4 and Raiders D
a -1

We don't have playoffs, all 17 weeks. I'm in first in both leagues with 3 to go, but after tonight unless Boldin has a ridiculous game (and Rice brothers and Giants D suck) I am in a three way tie with only the tiebreaker in my favor. I do although play the three worst teams the next three weeks, but in the last week weeks that is probably a bad thing considering all the bad players will be getting 'theirs' since their season is over. argh

[slotdirt]

I don't think QB rating is meaningless in the same way that AVG is for baseball players. Obviously, it can be a useful metric in the long run, but it's just as obvious that it's not THE only stat that matters for a QB.

Interesting that RHT's top five QB's this year are also 1-5 (or close to it) in QB rating as of today.

RE: Eli - come on, the guy throws more wobblers than your average high school quarterback. He was huge in 2008, but that doesn't mean he's 1/10th the player his brother is. I'm not a buyer.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I don't think QB rating is meaningless in the same way that AVG is for baseball players. Obviously, it can be a useful metric in the long run, but it's just as obvious that it's not THE only stat that matters for a QB.

Interesting that RHT's top five QB's this year are also 1-5 (or close to it) in QB rating as of today.

RE: Eli - come on, the guy throws more wobblers than your average high school quarterback. He was huge in 2008, but that doesn't mean he's 1/10th the player his brother is. I'm not a buyer.

Ok so he's not near one of the top QB's ever to play the game. I disagree about the wobblers, I think he throws a good ball. Sometimes his decision making is a bit questionable, but his game management skills which was an issue has gotten progressively better. He is a solid and durable NFL QB that continues to get better. (I know, I am obviously biased)

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Ok so he's not near one of the top QB's ever to play the game. I disagree about the wobblers, I think he throws a good ball. Sometimes his decision making is a bit questionable, but his game management skills which was an issue has gotten progressively better. He is a solid and durable NFL QB that continues to get better. (I know, I am obviously biased)

Your opinion is quite accurate. As his young receivers continue to improve as will Eli's stats. Nicks is a player.

Eli has his issues but he certainly is in the top half of the qbs in the league at this point.