Life at Ten

[Linny]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

What a disgrace, pure and simple, in every way.

Between 10 other horses and riders potentially being put in danger, and hundreds of thousands of guaranteed losing tickets, this was beyond shameful.

"I would love to know how much money was bet on her in all of the pools combined. Those thieves took the public's money like a stimulus bill."


Not just tickets on LAT in question. My friend and I played a tri and super based on a potentially sharp pace. We were at a simulcast and didn't get to see or hear the pre race because we were in line to bet. Our bet assumed that LAT would be involved in the pace and set up a kickers race. When LAT looked like an old lesson horse out of the gate we were both stunned. When the splits were posted we knew we were in deep weeds. When Acoma was sitting third, I was cooked.
Whether betting on her or against her, people playing the race had the right to fit and sound participants. Everyone in all the pools in that race had to have figured a 7/2 mare with high early speed as a factor in the race, even if they bet against her.
As a multi-race player, I had no way to know before the prior races that there was concern about Life At Ten.

[Rudeboyelvis]

I would love to know how many times a day this happens all around the country without ESPN cameras and miked up jocks

Prolly need to get over it

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I would love to know how many times a day this happens all around the country without ESPN cameras and miked up jocks

Prolly need to get over it

Fair point Dan, but this was a 2 million dollar race in the national spotlight and not some horse making a plunge for 10k. It's a diservice either way, but if it happens on a Wednesday night at Penn National you're not that suprised, but when it happens in the feature on day one of the Breeders Cup there is something wrong. I think it would be easier to swallow if the vets checked her out at the gate, but with the way it went down and her not running a step, all that happened was that bettors got screwed in a big way.
Thankfully it did seem like she will be okay.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

She stumbled twice in the post parade while JRV was trying to get her to warm up a little.

Watching it again - it reminded me of the time my ear drum broke. I could barely keep my balance doing anything more than a walk. She didn't seem to have very good balance when JRV attempted to warm her up.

[keithting]

TP also said in the post-race that LAT was not quite right when being saddled - "she almost seemed sedated" - He said that he wanted Johnny V "to really warm her up".

So IMO when she didn't respond, the onus was on the jockey to inform the VET that there was a problem. I know that it is a tough call for the jockey when owners are at the races to see her run, but .... what if she was injured during the race?

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by keithting

TP also said in the post-race that LAT was not quite right when being saddled - "she almost seemed sedated" - He said that he wanted Johnny V "to really warm her up".

So IMO when she didn't respond, the onus was on the jockey to inform the VET that there was a problem. I know that it is a tough call for the jockey when owners are at the races to see her run, but .... what if she was injured during the race?

JV needs to grow some cajones like Bailey had when he opted off of Noble Causeway in the 2005 Jim Dandy a few seconds before loading into the gate.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

JV needs to grow some cajones like Bailey had when he opted off of Noble Causeway in the 2005 Jim Dandy a few seconds before loading into the gate.

I really don't think it's that easy for JV. Opt not to ride for your #1 employer in a two million dollar race? Should have he called the vet over, yes. Do I think he would have rode her if she/he was in some sort of danger, no. He really never seemed to urge/get in to her either. He was in a no win situation. Also, Pletcher knew there was an issue in the paddock and I'm sure he watched her very carefully warming up. If anyone should get the blame IMO it is him.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I really don't think it's that easy for JV. Opt not to ride for your #1 employer in a two million dollar race? Should have he called the vet over, yes. Do I think he would have rode her if she/he was in some sort of danger, no. He really never seemed to urge/get in to her either. He was in a no win situation. Also, Pletcher knew there was an issue in the paddock and I'm sure he watched her very carefully warming up. If anyone should get the blame IMO it is him.

Once a jock is on the horse, the honus is on him. They all just better pray to whomever they pray to that nothing goes wrong with her as a result of running her around that track. My heart breaks for her. First and foremost - it's always the horse that's top priority. Pletcher didn't do right and neither did Johnny V.

[hockey2315]

I tried to call someone in Europe who has Betfair when this went down, but to no avail.

It's really a disgrace. As soon as JV said something on national TV it was going to be a disaster no matter what. Can you imagine what would have happened if she had broken down? It was just terrible to watch as someone who doesn't want to see a horse in distress and as a bettor. I don't buy the lights excuse either. . . that's obviously a cop out. I hope there's a big time backlash from this.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

that horse was higher than lil wayne..allday scurries away under the lights..

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I really don't think it's that easy for JV. Opt not to ride for your #1 employer in a two million dollar race? Should have he called the vet over, yes. Do I think he would have rode her if she/he was in some sort of danger, no. He really never seemed to urge/get in to her either. He was in a no win situation. Also, Pletcher knew there was an issue in the paddock and I'm sure he watched her very carefully warming up. If anyone should get the blame IMO it is him.

Agree, and it goes both ways... If I remember correctly Noble Causeway was OK.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

She stumbled twice in the post parade while JRV was trying to get her to warm up a little.

Watching it again - it reminded me of the time my ear drum broke. I could barely keep my balance doing anything more than a walk. She didn't seem to have very good balance when JRV attempted to warm her up.

Maybe she was only wearing one contact lens today.......................

[Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Linny

"I would love to know how much money was bet on her in all of the pools combined. Those thieves took the public's money like a stimulus bill."


Not just tickets on LAT in question. My friend and I played a tri and super based on a potentially sharp pace. We were at a simulcast and didn't get to see or hear the pre race because we were in line to bet. Our bet assumed that LAT would be involved in the pace and set up a kickers race. When LAT looked like an old lesson horse out of the gate we were both stunned. When the splits were posted we knew we were in deep weeds. When Acoma was sitting third, I was cooked.
Whether betting on her or against her, people playing the race had the right to fit and sound participants. Everyone in all the pools in that race had to have figured a 7/2 mare with high early speed as a factor in the race, even if they bet against her.
As a multi-race player, I had no way to know before the prior races that there was concern about Life At Ten.

Right but if LAT was scratched the result would have been the same.
I agree with you though that this does affect handicapping of the race of course.

edit: except the pools of course.